Bow Hunter Derek

Sold ... pending payment. Thanks to all that were interested.

Bump.

Price ... most dealers are selling BBB's around $9,400.00 set up and out the door. The MSRP on the BBB website is WRONG. There was a price increase across the board in Nov., the website has not been updated. OK ... so now we'll head off the price comments. Is it a lot of money? Yes. You can buy almost 2 400cc atv's for that price ... sure. But again, it goes back to ... what is it that YOU want out of your vehicle. What is YOUR primary purpose in buying one? If you want a vehicle who's main purpose is hunting, is quiet, can haul 4 people, haul at ton of gear, and go through most everything ... then that price isn't out of line. Heck, two four wheelers won't haul the people and gear that one BBB will haul. A four person gas/diesel utility vehicle will cost you another 50% over a BBB. What happens when you run out of battery? Same as when your ATV or utility vehicle runs out of gas. Your dead in the water. The only benefit to an atv or utv is that you can dump a can of gas in it and go right away again ... ASSUMING you have a can of gas with you! I've put over 1,000 miles on my ATV and I've never once hauled around a can of gas, so if I run it dry, I'm SOL just like I would be if the batteries ran dead on my BBB. One thing similar to an ATV or UTV, the BBB has a reserve battery range. The buggy will indicate to you when you have run through approximately 80% of the battery power. You have to remember that in a hunting situation like I recently got back from in Texas, I was running 25 miles or so a day and I never once hit reserve. So the chances of getting stranded are not what people make it out to be. Heck on the typical mid-west deer hunting situation (what the majority of BBB's are purchased for), most guys won't put 25 miles on their BBB in a SEASON! Running out of juice is a possibility, but if you know your buggy and use common sense, the reality of running out of juice has simply been blown out of proportion by critics. I will re-iterate what I typed earlier. Is the BBB perfect? No. But neither is any ATV, UTV, or SUV. They all have things they excel at, things they cross over and do reasonably well, and limitations. YOU and only YOU have to determine what it is that you want out of your utility type vehicle and then make the best purchase that fits your needs.

Bump ... The Cadillac of ground blinds.

I have one myself and I'm a small dealer here in N.E. Indiana. I'll give you my account of personally owning a BBB and this is not the dealer in me talking because I owned one before I became a dealer. In a nut shell, they are a great tool for the job they were built to do. They are far from perfect, there are areas with room for improvement, but when it comes to a pure hunting vehicle for flat to moderately rough terrain, they do that job better than any other vehicle, IMO. I own a Honda Rancher ATV. I have access to a JD Gator and Kawasaki Mule. I've used a Polaris Ranger. All of them have their place. Every type and brand of utility type vehicle, quad, or electric buggie can cross over and do some of what the others can do and they all do things unique that the others can't. Therefore YOU have to decide what vehicle is the right one for YOUR usage needs. In the majority of cases that I have spoke to people who disliked a BBB based on actual experience, it has been because the BBB did not fit their actual usage needs (i.e. they wanted mainly a farm type vehicle, or they wanted to rip it up in the mud, or the hunt steep rocky areas out west, or they didn't have access to electric in their situation, etc.). YOU have to pick the vehicle that fits YOUR needs. That is my personal opinion. If it was a dealer talking, I'd have told you how perfect the BBB is in nearly all situations. I love ripping on my ATV and it will haul a deer out. I enjoy farm related work with the Gator and Mule I have access to and they will haul a deer out. But when it comes to hunting in the majority of my hunting situations a BBB is my choice vehicle. Mine performed flawless for 5 days of bow hog hunting in the brush country of Texas. But I would have never taken it on my northern Saskatchewan bear hunt (only a generator for power). As to the power available, a BBB in fact will out pull any 4 wheeler at or under the 400cc range. It has more to do than HP and torque. It is the weight that gives it the advantage. My Honda Rancher 350 weighs in at about 550#, my BBB weighs in at about 1650#. That is a sizable weight advantage. Now couple that with 25 HP and 135 ft/lb torque that are both instantaneous and you can drag a 400cc sized 4 wheeler all over the place. Now, you get into the bigger quads and that won't happen. I will tell you that I have a very large and very steep hill on one of my properties. I've NEVER made it to the top with my Rancher. It wants to loop out ... I've tried and it has ended in some exciting results. When I got my BBB, I had to try it. It made it to the top the very first try. It was slinging dirt like you would not believe and my back side was puckering big time ... but it made it. The reason it made it was that it is much heavier than an ATV, it has a lower center of gravity than an ATV, and all of that torque. That advertising is not bunk either when they say they will walk up a tree. I did it with my own. There is that much torque, that it will stand vertical until the back passenger foot area hits the ground. Another thought on the BBB product. For a long time BBB has been the only player in the 4x4 electric hunting market. As many know, they now have competition in this market through a couple other electric vehicle manufacturers. Competition is GOOD! The BBB is not a perfect product. It is a dang good product, but there are areas for improvement. What we will see happen now that there is competition is that the product will improve further. As a company, they can't sit back and say "that is good enough", they will further refine and improve this product. So please do not be so quick to judge. Ask questions and I will try to answer them. Keep an open mind, especially if you do not have FIRST HAND experience with them. And watch how much better a little competition makes an already good product. As to competitors, there were two at the Indy show that I was at in February. The first is Rough & Tuff with the Hunter 4x4 EV. The other one, I can not remember the name of, I apologize. Both only use one electric motor for less HP and torque than the BBB. Both use a drive shaft and gear box for front wheel power. Both are 48 volt systems and neither have the HP, torque, or speed of a BBB. Both were nice machines and like I said, the competition will only force BBB to improve an already good product. As to how far you can run a BBB, it is all dependent on terrain. Hills, mud, and snow will run it down faster. I wanted to do a fair test so, using my handheld GPS to track myself and on brand new batteries (not conditioned), I ran my personal BBB in hunting terrain (up, down, start, stop, shallow water, over stuff, fast, slow, etc.) one day last summer as a test. I went 23 miles on a charge before the batteries died. Now on conditioned batteries I have faith that it would be somewhere between 28 and 30 miles in a hunting situation. I just spend a week on my BBB in the south Texas brush country. I would guess that I put close to 150 miles on the thing over 6 days. Absolutely incredible in how it held up, how it ran, and how reliable it was. It made the hunt. Everyone in camp was BEGGING to be a part of it's next adventure out. If you have any BBB questions, please shoot me a PM or ask on here.

I am selling my barely used Double Bull Matrix. I am the original owner. Outside of a little dusty dirt from hunting (NO MUD) the blind is in near perfect condition. There is only one broadhead hole in the screen, off to one side. That is the only arrow ever launched through the screen. Outside of that, the blind is perfect. I will include the original bag and carry strap. The blind has the waterfowl flap in the top and the standard rods. They retail for $399.00 $300 FIRM + actual shipping ($25 I would guess to the lower 48). Paypal preferred, money order accepted.

Sold pending payment:cool:

I have a Primos Bow Vest in Realtree HD Green, size 2XL. I bought the vest direct from Primos, wore it maybe twice. They are nice, but it just isn't for me. This vest is in like new condition. It is doing me no good, so it needs a new home. Primos sells this for $55. $40 shipped TYD, (lower 48 only). Money order or Paypal.

Got my package in the mail yesterday. Thanks!

All references to this are being removed all over the place. hmmmm. Makes you wonder. Legal or illegal act. Guess we'll never know.

Quite the slight of hand trick then ...

Just curious if anyone saw this. This was pointed out on another forum that I'm a member of. I know that no one is perfect, but I try my best to play 100% by the rules 100% of the time. However, this clip shows a R.T. Pro Staffer ... Jeff Folies ... blatantly breaking a FEDERAL waterfowl regulation. "Floating a Fourth" is a major no no! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbhtnlCNKDo

The features you are looking for all depend on your hunting style. I like frame blinds, in that I like to be able to move inside the blind and have room to put my stuff. I don't like the doors to lay on top of me, just my preference. I don't need mine to fold up small either, so I don't mind a full frame blind that doesn't collapse all that much. Some guys need the blind to fold up small, so that becomes a priority. Some guys want the lowest profile as possible. It all depends on how you hunt and what you need. Personally, I've had great luck with Final Approach. I've owned one of the original Eliminators for many years and currently own two SUB's. I like them. The work well for me. Relatively low profile, fold down medium sized, and roomy enough for me to move. Nothing wrong with Avery (GHG) blinds either.

I'm sorry, I never even saw this thread. PM'ing you my info!

Heck yea. I've got a quiver full of arrows that have sliced through multiple animals. Deer, hogs, turkeys, bear, and many others. So long as the arrow is in good shape, just wash it off and it is good to go. It doesn't always work out this way, but I even have some that the feathers have been through an animal. If the feathers are simply bloody and laying flat, I just wash them out with soapy water to get the blood out, stand them up, and let them dry. Still fly perfect. Broadheads get completely torn down after an animal. Either new blades, or re-sharpened depending on the condition. Sometimes broadheads flat get retried.