a few years ago I had the honor of partnering up with the founder of this room ( Blue elk ) himself, to shoot a little competition, he never claimed to have the best firearm, but, that the firearm was only as good as the person shooting it! and he was that good! that little comp. was all brought up over some little punk running his mouth about his gun and how much better it was and so forth, so like Rich said, put up, or shut up! the OTPG will be having a get together in the spring if you guys would like to bring your nef's out for a little friendly comp. I'd gladly use my "stock" pro-hunter against either of your nef's! I'm not bashing any of your firearms, but since you can guarantee your gun to shoot better than mine, I'd take that as a challenge!