I bought my son a 20ga Charles Daly youth model and have been pretty happy with it, he has been shooting it since he was 7. The Daly is light and short, patterns very well for what it is. It is way lighter than the Remington 1100. I upgraded him to this from a 410 single shot. I had to go to an auto because his arms are not long enough to work the slide on a pump. He's killed 2 deer and a bunch of rabbits and squirrels with the gun. The only complaint I have with it is that it will not cycle low brass shells. High brass gameloads and buckshot no problem. It's a really nice little gun, I take it rabbit hunting during the week when he has school.