Ohiobucks Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 This could go in both the political room and spiritual room....so I'm putting it in both. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yup good stuff..barton knows his stuff..what they tried to pull on the U.S. when they built this shows how far off base some are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm bored.........for the sake of argument..........What if YOU were Jewish or Hindu, or Muslim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm bored.........for the sake of argument..........What if YOU were Jewish or Hindu, or Muslim? Our country was not founded by them...it was by Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Our country was not founded by them...it was by Christians. That's not my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Our country was not founded by them...it was by Christians. > Not all of the "Founding Fathers" were x-tians. This argument holds about as much water as the 'Global Warming is caused by the declination of Pirates' argument. The founders of this nation were pretty clear in their desire to keep Religion seperate from Goverment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Correlation does not imply causation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 > Not all of the "Founding Fathers" were x-tians. You are right they were not "x-tians". Most were in fact Christians though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 I'm bored.........for the sake of argument..........What if YOU were Jewish or Hindu, or Muslim? Where was that even mentioned on the video link I provided? This video is about church and government - how it used to be vs. how it is now. Does your school still say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning Chris? Can you ever pause for a moment of prayer for anything anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 (edited) Our founding fathers wanted to keep GOVERNMENT out of Religon.. but we surely were allowed to have Religon in government...non of the founding fathers that were not Christian, and there were a "few,"..disapproved of the rest being Christians..even though they did not profess to be one.....Bug you have it backwards To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem. Th Jefferson Jan. 1. 1802. Edited February 7, 2011 by Mathews XT Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Where was that even mentioned on the video link I provided? This video is about church and government - how it used to be vs. how it is now. That's not my point either. I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes, this country was founded on Christian ideals and values, and I'm a Christian, but I've always felt that it's wrong to press my Christian values on someone of another faith. That's the heart of America. Those guys came over here to escape religious persecution so they developed a country where we would be free to worship however we want--whether we as Christians feel that's right or wrong. If our country ran now, the way it did back then, how would you feel if you were of another faith? Seems counterproductive to what the founding fathers really wanted. Does your school still say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning Chris? Can you ever pause for a moment of prayer for anything anymore Yep, every Monday. As far as momet of prayer, no, I don't make a specific time for a moment of prayer, but that's not to say it's forbidden. If you want to pray, pray, I wouldn't ask a kid stop if I saw it. As far as me leading a prayer, nope, I don't agree with that for numerous reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I don't shove my religious views down someone else throat either, much like I wouldn't want it to happen to me. But I don't want my right to practice religion taken away from me or my family. It has been taken away in the schools. Violence is up at an all time high, I feel this is because too many government leaders have taken things away that help teach kids to be good, Christian people. Little things like encouraging them to say the Pledge every day, encourage them to say a prayer every day. Separation of church and state is a joke. People don't want kids to say the Pledge of Allegiance anymore because is mentions God. We used to say the Pledge every day, not just Mondays. Do you still say "Under God" on Mondays? We are a Christian country, founded on Christian principals. Watch the video again. To me, it's a lot like television - If a hindou, or jewish person, or muslim person doesn't like it, "get up and turn the channel". Let's say, God forbid, something like 9/11 happens again while you are teaching a group of kids, you wouldn't stop for a minute and lead a prayer? I know you would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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