The Kid Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 My neighbor shot a buck on november 15 of last year and still has it hanging, so I called Michigans DNRE and talked to a lady that said they that it is perfectly legal to shoot a deer and leave it hanging indefinitley, This is ridiculous to be able to shoot a deer or another animal just to say you shot a buck and leave it hanging and not take care of the animal. I'm embarrassed for Michigan DNRE b/c theres obvisouly somthing wrong with this law and they don't have a clue. It's not that hard to donate meat to people that need it. I just wish there was something I could do to change this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 It's their business, not yours. If the deer was killed legally and taken from the woods to the house, it's their deal to do whatever they want to with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Write to the state wildlife agency(email or letter) and let them know your thoughts, could not hurt and never know it might get someone's attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TennesseeTurkey Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 It's their business, not yours. If the deer was killed legally and taken from the woods to the house, it's their deal to do whatever they want to with it. I agree with Ben.... Whats the difference in killing a deer for the horns and throwing the whole body away vs killing one and letting it hang indefinately? Same thing with Turkeys, if you mount one you dont eat it or give the meat away.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Tell your neighbor you want the next one he kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 It's their business, not yours. If the deer was killed legally and taken from the woods to the house, it's their deal to do whatever they want to with it. That may be legally correct, but it's pretty sad that someone would do that. Pretty much the same thing happened here a couple of years ago, a guy shot a buck and put it a walk in freezer, sometime in June, he took it out and threw it off the wharf into the ocean. He was so dumb that he left his tag attached to it, the DNR here was called and he was given a $500 fine for having venison without a proper permit. Our season is in Nov., if you still have venison after April you need another permit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 That may be legally correct, but it's pretty sad that someone would do that. Pretty much the same thing happened here a couple of years ago, a guy shot a buck and put it a walk in freezer, sometime in June, he took it out and threw it off the wharf into the ocean. He was so dumb that he left his tag attached to it, the DNR here was called and he was given a $500 fine for having venison without a proper permit. Our season is in Nov., if you still have venison after April you need another permit. I agree 100% that is it sad that someone would do that. It's something I would never do and never be a part of but people do things differently. I am sure there are a ton of things I do that people would not like but thats the way I do them and go about my business. If I do something that people dont like and it's legal I dont expect the law to be called on me because they see my act as not right in their eyes. It all pretty much comes back to worrying about yourself and family, practicing your own methods of life and having the ability to understand people do things their way and its their business not everyone else's. People these days are way to worry about everyone else when in fact they have their own problems to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Wisconsin is the same way. It comes down to hunter ethics which we try to teach in Hunter and Bowhunter Education Classes. But ethics in general is something you acquire over time with experience and maturity. Some never acquire it. There is no cure for stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Same here in Illinois. My cousin shot a buck with his bow Thanksgiving weekend and it ran on the neighbors property. We asked for permission to get it and he told us about all the big deer he's shot over the last few years he's owned the property. He let us track on his property and we found two fresh kills from gun season, both with the backstraps cut out and one with the head cut off. The rest was left to rot, and both were tagged and checked in via the internet. It made my cousin and I pretty hot about the whole deal, but according to the DNR he did evrything legal. Ethically it stinks, but unfortunately not much a guy can do about it. The bad part is that this is what he's teaching his kids who hunt with him. It's no wonder the deer numbers on this farm we hunt are way down..this joker's killing 6 or 7 deer a year on the ground next door and leaving hundreds of pounds of meat lay on the ground and rot. Edited February 16, 2011 by MUDRUNNER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I guess I don't get it. What does ethics have to do with it at all? He killed the deer in season, used a deer tag that he bought, and chose not to eat the meat. He didn't poach it. He didn't kill it with a gun during bow season. He didn't shoot it out of season. In the states eye, he did nothing wrong. People tend to judge what their neighbors are doing way too much..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 You ever buy chicken or beef and end up throwing it out because it got freezer burnt, or you left it in the refrigerator too long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 You ever buy chicken or beef and end up throwing it out because it got freezer burnt, or you left it in the refrigerator too long? While I agree with your point on legal standpoint 100%, I see where something like intentionally letting an entire deer go to waste is upsetting to a hunter. Throwing out a freezer burnt package of hamburger is different that letting the whole cow go. I hate to see the meat wasted, and the deer killed solely for the horns on his head. I trophy hunt, and pass up smaller bucks in search of a mature animal...so I hunt for bone too...but I also eat or give away the meat from the animal. To each their own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I know what you are saying Kyle, I guess my point is that too many people worry about other peoples "ethics"..... Maybe there was more to the story as well...maybe he let the deer hang for a friend to pick up, and the friend never came to get it? Maybe he heard of a good recipe that called for the meat to be aged, but he didn't understand how to properly age the meat. Not that any of that matters to me at all, it's his deer, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I totally agree...it's a sad thing to see this happen. It may be they never learned how to take care of game in a timely proper way. This gives the antis more fuel to come at us if the animal was visable to the public also. I know of things like this happening in a warm fall here..deer actually started rotting and spoiling before or at the processor plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) I know what you are saying Kyle, I guess my point is that too many people worry about other peoples "ethics"..... Maybe there was more to the story as well...maybe he let the deer hang for a friend to pick up, and the friend never came to get it? Maybe he heard of a good recipe that called for the meat to be aged, but he didn't understand how to properly age the meat. Not that any of that matters to me at all, it's his deer, not mine. It has nothing to do with a friend waiting to pick up the deer, I talked to the guy and he said that he'll get around to it? This is just plain laziness!!! It has nothing to do with meat being aged,, and my rant wasn't about him poaching an animal my point is that the law is wrong,, it has nothing to do with me or anyone else getting into other peoples business, it has nothing to do with throwing out chicken with freezer burn or hamburger, it has everything to do with shooting a deer just to say he shot one, and wasting the meat b/c he is to damn lazy to cut up his deer. If people stopped worry about things like this it would be a lot different in this world. The fact is people like this shouldn'thave the right or the privledge to harvest such animal, and thats a fact Edited February 17, 2011 by The Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) The fact is people like this shouldn'thave the right or the privledge to harvest such animal, and thats a fact Now, is this a fact or is this an opinion? Why should he not have the right to hunt and kill an animal? He is doing and has done everything illegal. This does have to do with being in and worrying about other people's business. Otherwise you would not have gone over there to talk to him, correct? He still has the deer and he may still cut it up and actually eat it. Who knows. As of right now it's still hanging and he will get around to it. Edited February 17, 2011 by 92xj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Now, is this a fact or is this an opinion? Why should he not have the right to hunt and kill an animal? He is doing and has done everything illegal. This does have to do with being in and worrying about other people's business. Otherwise you would not have gone over there to talk to him, correct? It's a fact jack, it's no different than shooting an animal and letting it lay? I never said it wasn't about me worry about other people It's me worry about hunting in general, if this is considered legal whats next then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 First and foremost, my name is not Jack and you should not respond to me calling me that. Second, your opinion is not fact. Third, this will not lead to any negative actions to hunters. Posting it in a public forum for the world to see could. There is not a law stating how long you can hang your game animal or what you do with it after you kill it. It comes down to ethics and what certain people feel is the correct way to deal with your meat after the kill. Do I agree with this guy. 100% NO, I think he should have done something with it sooner but thats not the point here. He is doing nothing wrong, whether you think he is or not is a mute point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 First and foremost, my name is not Jack and you should not respond to me calling me that. Second, your opinion is not fact. Third, this will not lead to any negative actions to hunters. Posting it in a public forum for the world to see could. There is not a law stating how long you can hang your game animal or what you do with it after you kill it. It comes down to ethics and what certain people feel is the correct way to deal with your meat after the kill. Do I agree with this guy. 100% NO, I think he should have done something with it sooner but thats not the point here. He is doing nothing wrong, whether you think he is or not is a mute point. Jack, Jill same thing? Just because it's within the law doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean he's doing the right thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Jack, Jill same thing? Just because it's within the law doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean he's doing the right thing? Naw Jack and Jill are two seperate folks, they went up the hill to fetch a pale of water. I see your point Kiddo, but if he's operatin within the law then there ain't much can be done about it. Matter o'fact ain't nothin can be done about it. Stinks, literally and figuratively, I will agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Jack, Jill same thing? Just because it's within the law doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean he's doing the right thing? Amanda, What exactly is he doing that is not the right thing? Do you know for a fact that this deer is going to waste? What if he actually goes out this weekend, cuts it up and puts it in the freezer to eat over the year? Is he still doing something wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 legal and ethical are two different things. you have a neighbor who makes hunters look bad. lots of folks would have liked that meat he's wasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess I don't get it. What does ethics have to do with it at all? He killed the deer in season, used a deer tag that he bought, and chose not to eat the meat. He didn't poach it. He didn't kill it with a gun during bow season. He didn't shoot it out of season. In the states eye, he did nothing wrong. People tend to judge what their neighbors are doing way too much..... I disagree because all hunters should be aware that the ethics that we exhibit are what other non-hunters and anti-hunters judge us by. They unfortunately are a voting majority and directly impact our hunting/fishing/trapping heritage. I would hope that educating and "policing" ourselves is something that happens in an attempt to perpetuate all hunting traditions. If we don't do our best to set a good example, and that sometimes means telling someone that they are being a bonehead or doing something in poor taste, our future is more at risk than ever before. This is my opinion and one that I personally express to my hunter and bowhunter education students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm not saying that I agree with what he is doing, I'm saying that from a legal standpoint, he is doing nothing wrong. I donate a deer or two every year to the Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry program here in Ohio, my oldest son donated the deer he shot this fall as well. My freezer is still full of venison. Stay out of your neighbors business. I wouldn't like my neighbors telling me how to hunt, cut my grass, raise my kids, etc. Stay out of his business. Unless he is doing something illegal, leave him alone. Too many ethics police running around everywhere..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm not saying that I agree with what he is doing, I'm saying that from a legal standpoint, he is doing nothing wrong. I donate a deer or two every year to the Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry program here in Ohio, my oldest son donated the deer he shot this fall as well. My freezer is still full of venison. Stay out of your neighbors business. I wouldn't like my neighbors telling me how to hunt, cut my grass, raise my kids, etc. Stay out of his business. Unless he is doing something illegal, leave him alone. Too many ethics police running around everywhere..... :stupid: People worry about what other people are doing way too much these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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