Ohiobucks Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 :stupid: People worry about what other people are doing way too much these days! You're right, why do I care what kid thinks about his DNR and his neighbor? I'm done with this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 While I fully believe no one here condones wasting deer in such a way, knowing right from wrong (not legal vs. illegal) is a fundamental concept in society. Heck, Tominator and other educators likely confront students of all ages daily about "poor choices" they make. As parents we do the same thing. Is it our responsibility in public, not necessarily. There are many constructive ways to deal with any situation. One of which is leaving well enough alone. That is fine. Tact is obviously key here. I can respect your reason for not confronting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Since so many folks concider hunting a "sport".....maybe we need referees to penalize for unsportmanlike conduct instead of ethics police enforcing imaginary laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 That may be legally correct, but it's pretty sad that someone would do that. Pretty much the same thing happened here a couple of years ago, a guy shot a buck and put it a walk in freezer, sometime in June, he took it out and threw it off the wharf into the ocean. He was so dumb that he left his tag attached to it, the DNR here was called and he was given a $500 fine for having venison without a proper permit. Our season is in Nov., if you still have venison after April you need another permit. So if say you have venison in your freezer past June due to taking several animals, all legally, then you would have to have those animals re tagged? That is crazy. What about out of state kills brought back that are tagged? Got to re-tag those too? He is doing nothing wrong, whether you think he is or not is a mute point. Dunno about Michigan, but by some states regs, it may be a violation to not care for your meat. Some states wanton waste laws would have that hunter being in the wrong. Wyoming I know you have to take everything you can and I acutally had question in regards to a shoulder on an antelope that was not salvagebale. Seems I even recall a conversation with Steve about a past problem they had their with folks dumping meat on highways due to them not caring for it properly and about that being illegal. Unfortunately I agree with the others though if the regs do not have anything about wanton waste, like I said in my original reply if you feel compelled to do something about it then write your state officials. Most cases they actually do appreciate feedback so long as it is given in a professional manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess my question would be.... Do you eat Mountain loin, coyote, fox, and prairie dog? Is it unethical to hunt those species and not eat them? What would be the difference? While I agree with you that I find it offense for someone to waist good venison, what someone does with their game is really their business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess my question would be.... Do you eat Mountain loin, coyote, fox, and prairie dog? Is it unethical to hunt those species and not eat them? What would be the difference? While I agree with you that I find it offense for someone to waist good venison, what someone does with their game is really their business. Interesting point, not to start another argument but personally I don't view predatory animals the same as foragers/grazers and I see a pretty clear difference. Figure those animals that we are able to eat that if we kill em we really should eat them and my personal opinion is that it really is wrong to waste an animal such as a deer just for kicks. Killing coyotes here is more a management thing since they do kill calves, fawns, turkeys, chickens, and etc. Like has been said though everyone is different and ethics put best is doing what is right when no one is looking. Bottom line is those who don't and get away with it have to live with themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Interesting point, not to start another argument but personally I don't view predatory animals the same as foragers/grazers and I see a pretty clear difference. Figure those animals that we are able to eat that if we kill em we really should eat them and my personal opinion is that it really is wrong to waste an animal such as a deer just for kicks. Killing coyotes here is more a management thing since they do kill calves, fawns, turkeys, chickens, and etc. Like has been said though everyone is different and ethics put best is doing what is right when no one is looking. Bottom line is those who don't and get away with it have to live with themselves.[/QUOT I know we have something in our laws here in Iowa about dumping any deemed "useable" or "consumable" part of game is illegal. Not for sure on the exact wording. Also what some people consider consumable may vary. Some people eat organs while people like me consider it gut pile :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92xj Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Interesting point, not to start another argument but personally I don't view predatory animals the same as foragers/grazers and I see a pretty clear difference. Figure those animals that we are able to eat that if we kill em we really should eat them and my personal opinion is that it really is wrong to waste an animal such as a deer just for kicks. Killing coyotes here is more a management thing since they do kill calves, fawns, turkeys, chickens, and etc. Like has been said though everyone is different and ethics put best is doing what is right when no one is looking. Bottom line is those who don't and get away with it have to live with themselves. I agree with you 100%.....but.....with this logic someone could argue the point that deer killing can be a management tool. I would assume around your area, just like it is in Western NC that Christmas tree farms are everywhere. Deer destroy those trees and farmers will shoot and kill 100s of deer a year because they are hurting their income and decreasing the food on the table for the farmer's family. I do NOT agree with this but I would also do anything in my power to provide and support my family and if that means killing whatever animal is eating my crop income then I would have to do it. It's just another side of the coin to look at and again I am not agreeing with it, but this is an example of how deer and yotes could be looked at the same way in some people's eyes. But back to the original topic. WHAT IF HE GOES AND CUTS THE DEER UP THIS WEEKEND AND THROWS IT IN THE FREEZER? IS IT STILL "WRONG"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 But back to the original topic. WHAT IF HE GOES AND CUTS THE DEER UP THIS WEEKEND AND THROWS IT IN THE FREEZER? IS IT STILL "WRONG"? To each their own I spose. Ummm, nasty imo but guess it would not be wrong. We actually had a person up the road here who rented from a neighbor for a while who would hang deer for several days in weather I simply could not, I am talking 70's where flies were everywhere. On the management permits that is a good question Ben, one I probably need to discuss with our warden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I agree with Ben.... Whats the difference in killing a deer for the horns and throwing the whole body away vs killing one and letting it hang indefinately? Same thing with Turkeys, if you mount one you dont eat it or give the meat away.... It is a shame although fish and turkeys can be eaten if the taxidermist skins it right away for the person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Wanton waste is one thing. Hanging a deer for any length of time is another. Deer management (depredation hunting) is something else. the best advice is to write your DNR and complain of the situation. There is no point in getting involved with the neighbor unless you are downwind of a stinking deer. At best file a nuisance complaint with the local authority. It is troubling the way the laws are written and questions do come to mind about what is legal and what is ethical. Because the law says you can does not mean you should be ethically challenged by it. There is plenty of debate about right and wrong in hunting today. Common sense would clear up a lot, but you know what they say about common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradog Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Minnesota has a wanton waste law. If you kill it you better use it or you can be fined. I see it as a moral/ethical issue. It's a crummy thing to do to a good deer. On the other hand, I'm glad you are not my neighbor. I've got enough nosey, tattle tale neighbors as it is and don't need another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 right so i guess we should leave all of the poachers alone too and stay out of there business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 right so i guess we should leave all of the poachers alone too and stay out of there business What does hanging a legally killed deer have to do with poachers?...Yes, you should turn POACHERS in. Now you are comparing apples to oranges. If you really have an axe to grind, grind it with a letter to the DNRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 im talking about staying out of peoples business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 im talking about staying out of peoples business Did you read any of the replies? There are three pages of what you should do. Poachers are one thing and your neighbor is another. If he is a poacher turn him in . If not and you are not happy about the issue send off a letter and see where it gets you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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