OJR Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 True Blue Democrat Rubbish!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! [ QUOTE ] The system is going to go bankrupt about the year 2018, but be able to pay 100% of the benifits till 2042, and then be able to pay 80% of all benifits. [/ QUOTE ] "We're going to keep taking your money, but you get less in return. Just to prove the Social Security System works." [ QUOTE ] Is it in a crisis NO! [/ QUOTE ] One quote contradicts the other. A bankrupt system that so many people rely on for their well-being going bankrupt is a crisis. Atleast it was when Clinton was president and wanted to throw money at it, but chose not to. Now that it's Bush, it's not a crisis? [ QUOTE ] I think the only way is to limit benefits wealthy people could collect [/ QUOTE ] "So, here's the deal. You've worked hard and made quite a living for yourself and your family. In the mean time, you and your counterparts have paid 90% of the taxes collected and put in most of the money in the system. Everytime we've needed money, we took it from you, and we appreciate you being there. So our plan is to cut you off, but we do intend to keep taking your money to pay for the people who didn't plan as well as you did. I'm sure you understand." [ QUOTE ] I also think that Bush is using scare tactics to force the issue. [/ QUOTE ] And this is just a Bush tactic? Democrats have perfected the art of scare tactics. They leaked the information that Bush wanted to reinstate the draft, when in reality that was proposed by a democrat. After that was revealed, they still blamed Bush. After Bush explained that he has no inclination to reinstate the draft, they still blamed Bush. During the republican revolution of '94, the media and DNC took one part of one sentence from Newt Gingrich and played it over and over and over. Remember "whither on the vine" when used in his explanation of an overhaul of social security? That 4 words were used for no reason other than to scare old people into thinking they would have to eat dog food to survive. You're going to have to do better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! [ QUOTE ] They leaked the information that Bush wanted to reinstate the draft, when in reality that was proposed by a democrat. After that was revealed, they still blamed Bush. After Bush explained that he has no inclination to reinstate the draft, they still blamed Bush. [/ QUOTE ] Thats already been proven as the specific Democratic legislator introduced that bill in order to boost opposition to the war. He had no intentions on actually pushing the bill through congress and thusly it died. As far as Bush pushing for a draft, the main concern for the democrats, as far as what I remember was a back door draft, meaning, people who have been off of active duty for an extended period of time being forced back into active duty, now, I'm not talking about those that separated a year ago and are complaining that they didn't know they could be called back, when I joined the Air Force back in 1994, it was made very clear to me that after I separated I would be placed on inactive reserve for 4 years and be subject to call back, this was made very clear to me and those that say it wasn't are full of it, what the backdoor draft is referring to is people who are being called back past their inactive reserve time, there are people who served in Vietnam that are getting called back, and to me that is just plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Great reply Racksie. Really not much I can add to that. On those wealthy who have earned the right to draw, should it not be their option to keep their money as it should be everyone elses? If they dont need it and decide not to take it that is fine, but after paying in their money they deserve what is theirs as much as anyone else. Sluggo, on the scare tactics,did John Kerry not try to use the idea of the draft in his favor???? If my memory serves me correctly it was the democrats and Kerry pointing the finger at Bush saying he wanted to reinstate a draft due to the need to increase our military. That was just nonsense used as a scare tactic to attempt to get Kerry in the White House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! If you want to save the system, keep Congress from taking money from SS to pay for other programs. If you want to limit people from drawing benefits, limit those who haven't paid into it, i.e. illegal immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! You guy's pretty much covered this one! Playing "Robin Hood", has always been a democratic policy though, God forbid the wealthy, who actually earned their way through life should get to enjoy any benefits they contributed!! We just cant survive without "BIG BROTHER" mentality sure has got you Libs in a headlock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! [ QUOTE ] You guy's pretty much covered this one! Playing "Robin Hood", has always been a democratic policy though, God forbid the wealthy, who actually earned their way through life should get to enjoy any benefits they contributed!! We just cant survive without "BIG BROTHER" mentality sure has got you Libs in a headlock! [/ QUOTE ] I agree Robinhood has always been a folk hero to liberals, but in my book the guy was/is a thief, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Here's what I am getting out of this, you guys don't mind if Bill Gates draws Social Security even though he won't in a million years need it and would defend his right to draw until your dying day, but God forbid someone who is poor and is going to need to rely on SS when they retire because for whatever reason they didn't make enough money when they were working. Here is what is hypocritical about the arguments against welfare and other social programs, you guys and Sean Hannity(who I despise) and other neo-con radio hosts will say, why should I have to pay taxes and it go towards someone who doesn't have a good job or doesn't want to work, they should find a better job, get a better eduacation, but SEAN HANNITY HIMSELF SAID " We'd like for everyone to have a job, but that's not gonna happen. We'd like everyone to be able to find a better job and make more money, but that's not gonna happen." So tell me this, am I just wasting my time in getting a free college degree with the college I work for, because, hey, I've got a 6.70 an hour job, maybe I'm not one of the lucky ones who will find a 60-70 thousand dollar a year job. How can anyone in one sentence complain about people who can't find a job or can't find a better one so they can get off federal assistance or will actually maybe one day be able to put some away and then the next sentence say that well if you don't get a job or don't get a better one even if you do educate yourself and do everything you are supposed to do then you aren't one of the lucky ones. It's people like Sean Hannity and attitudes like that, that pushed me away from the Republican party. And just to clarify, I don't believe that people who have never paid into the system should be able to draw SS like illegals etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Maybe they should get off their "federal ASSistance" and go look for a better future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! I believe if Bill Gates wanted what was rightfully his, I would have no business saying he should not be entitled to it. That said, I honestly think he has given back a great deal and will continue to do so whether he ever draws or not. Those you suggest who are such low income levels, I am not really sorry for many of them. This is a country of opportunities. I just dont get why it is that you and others think and suggest that those of us who are in mid range income levels should be brought down by taxing the crap out of us to support those who do not get off their duffs. Government assistance is giving so much already. Great example we are dealing with now: My 3 year old in trying to get her into preschool next year, they have an allday program and a special program that is 3 hours a day. The 3 hour a day program is for special kids and typical kids, but they have to have a one to one ratio and they put your kid on alist and they might or might not get in. Now, if say you qualify for free lunches for your kids you automatically get the all day program, and dont pay a dime. That is like free daycare , and who do you think is paying for it. We pay for kids to have a better chance in life, but due to our income bracket our kid is not eligible . Where are kids learning to skate off the system? So basically some lazy deadbeat, or possibly someone who maybe works and does not make a a great wage for whatever reason gets to have their kids get better opportunites than mine because of their freaking income level. Not to mention they already get assistance in so many other ways. I said it before and will continue on saying it. Many DEMOCRATS ENCOURAGE PROMOTING LAZINESS AND LACK OF AMBITION in their ideals of redistribution, and it is in no way right or fair . This idea of lets not worry about supporting ourselves, that is what the government is for, really irritates me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Since when do you have to earn 60-70k to take care of yourself. My family has been a one-income family for over 20 years, and I have never earned $60k yet. I finally "woke up" 26 years ago and realized that no one was going to take care of me in retirement, so I'd better do it myself. I will not be a pauper in retirement - and SS will not be my main source of income. I'm doing this on income averaging around $40k for the last 26 years. I would be significanlty better off, though, had there been private retirement accounts where 15% of my SS tax had gone to take care of me directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Hey it is Gates money, I think though that they could set aside a donation system, with tax breaks or what-not. That way guys Like gates could donate, and have a benifit on there side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! [ QUOTE ] SOcial sucurity is where it needs to be [/ QUOTE ] Where have we heard this before. Seems if my memoryserves me correctly that was also bigbucks initial thoughts on SS as well . Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! If they're working they're paying into social security. It's the lazy ****es who won't work that I have a problem with. Don't tell me they can't find a job. The paper's full of help wanted ads. Don't tell me they don't have the training for those jobs. We pay for that, too. They're just too lazy to work. Remember the fable about the ant and the grasshopper? They don't work they don't eat. So sorry - so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! [ QUOTE ] There are going to be people like that in this world. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Wrong answer buddy, deal with carrying some slugs load beacause some people think we should pick up there load. Give me a break. How old are you bigbuck, and how much have you worked and have you been exposed to situation making you have to work to say support a family? I would be willing to bet you are a kid in school who has likely never worked or had to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILD_BILL Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! All of your life your told "pay attention in school, education will det youa better job." Some didn't listen and live to regret it. All of your life your told "stay away from grugs and alcohol." Some don't listen and live to regret it. All of your life your told "SAVE FOR THE FUTURE" Some of you are still not listening! You can blame whichever party you want but if you don't take care of yourselves your not making a very wise decision. Yeah, and I like the dem v. republican arguements. To say dems never claimed there was a crisis is like saying they were all for the war on the last election. Whichever party has been out of power has used this arguement to there favor for the last 30 years or more. Gimme a break. When your old and grey and didn't take care of yourselves, how can you keep a straight face and blame any political party for your mistake? Some can't afford it and the system will be there for them. I say though, that you can't afford not to save. One last thing. Dems don't use scare tactics? Gore and kerry didn't use medicare to scare old people? kerry didn't use the draft to scare young people? During the clinton years the dems didn't try to scare "soccer moms" by saying republicans wanted to take away school lunch? Dems don't try to scare women that republicans will take away there "right" to abort there babies? Dems don't scare every ignorant non-gun owner about assault weapons? We still have medicare, no draft, school lunch, abortion, and assault weapons have not been proven to raise crime. Both parties do it but the dems have made an art of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Very well thought out Wild Bill. I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILD_BILL Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! BIGBUCKMISSPELLER, Once again I am completly dumbfounded. Your mastery of the English language is stunning! What exactly does this mean? [ QUOTE ] i have worked hard and dont assume you know what they say you make and @## out of you and me!! [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! I think I saw him post something that said he was dyslexsic. That might be part of it, but I couldn't make "head's nor tails's" out of that post either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILD_BILL Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! Oops! I sincerely appologize. Thats the bad thing about these forums. You're not sure who your talking (typing) to. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: Social Security What I think! My opinion is my opinion, and I still think you are very misinformed. I may very well be wrong, maybe not. Dont think that makes me an rear end. Pretty easy to sit behind a screen and say I am this or that. Like I said before, not picking on you dont know you, but for someone who seems to know so much and be such a great debater, I sure have not seen it. So what kind of hard work do you do buddy, and if you do this hard work, dont you have a plan to save some money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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