VtBowhunter Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 The state will have the antler restriction statewide. They finally smartened up and realized 3 zones wouldn't work as a test, so they went statewide. We will be allowed 2 deer (down from the 3 of previous years) only 1 can be a buck. Here's the kicker that has me Madder then I can describe in here. If you want to kill the 2nd deer you'll have to put in for an antlerless tag that you can use in either bow or muzzleloader season. In all prior years you only needed to buy a bow tag and you could shoot does, now it's gone to lottery just so the state can make more money. Thanks to the new doe lottery, our management of our land just took one heck of a boot to the arse. If we don't draw the doe tags then we can't kill the does and our ratio starts back in the wrong direction again after we've spent so much time straightening it out as much as we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntr104 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. So statewide a buck will have to have 2 or 3 points on one side? I'm a little confused. When I buy my license. I'll get 1 buck tag? this will be good for either bow, rifle or muzzleloader?? right? now what about a doe tag? if you can shoot only 2 deer and only one can be a buck then we should get a doe tag with our license right? Am I close? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. Thta is kind of a bummer for sure..One good thing though. We can only take one deer period in the regular zones, and you can get two. I wish we could....Our deer biologist is a knucklehead in my opinion. He has given out so many doe permits the last several years, it is desimated the heard. If you see a deer here you better shoot it, cause you may not see another. Very irritating, so I kinda know how you feel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. Josh, Im not going to comment at this point in time if that tells you just how PO'ed I am right now,,,,DANG MORONS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted March 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. Huntr104, You will get the buck rifle tag with your license like usual, but you will still have to purchase an archery tag and a muzzleloader tag, and if you want to shoot a doe you will have to enter your application for an antlerless permit. I agree with all the changes they've made except for the need to apply for a doe tag in archery season......they should have left the archery tag as an eithersex tag so landowners could continue to manage thier land for does during bowseason like so many of us do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. I guess I got into archery too late in my life..... ,,,,,,this state and it's application entries, I just can't figure out what they are trying to accomplish with some of this stuff....atleast everyone is in agreement on the state wide antler restriction.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntr104 Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. [ QUOTE ] Huntr104, You will get the buck rifle tag with your license like usual, but you will still have to purchase an archery tag and a muzzleloader tag, and if you want to shoot a doe you will have to enter your application for an antlerless permit. I agree with all the changes they've made except for the need to apply for a doe tag in archery season......they should have left the archery tag as an eithersex tag so landowners could continue to manage thier land for does during bowseason like so many of us do. [/ QUOTE ] OK, so I get my Buck tag for rifle right, but I don't draw a doe tag for Archery.......So now I can only shoot a buck during Archery right? and If I do shoot a Buck in Archery now I'm done for the season because I'm only allowed 1 buck. Is this correct?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted March 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. huntr104, you got it. Dave, I'm with ya. Luke, with this application thing they are only trying to get more money for the state. They are taking advantage of the hunters to gain money for the loss of out of state hunters. The next thing they are working on is taking away our bear tags and forcing us to buy them seperately from our licenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. More MONEY.....why don't they just go the simple route and raise the license fee's ???? All this unnecesary(sp) paper work seems to be over kill to me.... ...I hope these applications are out early..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted March 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. you and me both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. [ QUOTE ] you and me both. [/ QUOTE ] Don't get me wrong I don't mind paying alittle more, it's just haviong to go through all that paper work for nothing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. I am not real happy about losing potential bow hunting as well but I have not heard nor read if the archery tag you can buy over the counter is buck only or either sex. Nor have I read that the 2 bow tags normally for sale will be dropped down to "only" one tag. (???) You can apply for an antlerless tag and use it in archery, which if not filled during the bow season, can transfer over to the ML season. That much I know is basically fact (pending proposal). I have not heard what (buck or buck/doe tag) or how many tags are still for sale by the state is my point. (???) I have been keeping close tabs on what is posted on the VT F&W site and its still a bit vague on what/how many are going to be for sale and what has to be applied for. I agree with the state wide antler restriction. vs 3 WMA's. 1 buck per year. 2 deer vs. 3 per year. But I can not see how thier can be no doe tags still in bow season. A ML doe permit normally costs $10, which also has not been stated or a fee set yet with concerns to bow be combined now. A bow/ML tag over the counter is $17 and you use to be able to buy 2 for each season. With the old way, one could buy two $17 tags and get 2 doe or 1 doe and 1 buck in archery season. If what you say is passed you would get one $17 tag, buck only, which sales would drop due to some hunters "saving" their buck for the rifle tag already bought, and then have to apply, at only $10, for an antlerless permit. As it is now the state has already cut themselves short in ML season since the 2 tags over the counter were buck only. If its 1 buck only per year now there is another $17 lost per ML hunter alone. Alomst the same for bow. The state would be losing $7 per archer per year if said archer was still trying to get 2 archery tags to fill. (One over the counter and a permit) Seems to me like thats something they would not do. Lets face it, VT is looking at making the deer herd better, and thats great, but not only for the deer. I am sure for the increase revenue as well a better herd would bring the state. Of coarse another point is that it has not been stated yet on how many permits a single hunter can apply for... Or how much they will cost. (???) JMO but I am holding judgement on the bow tag thingy until I see it in black and white in a Digest of Laws booklet. The rest is fine by me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. Just for those who have not check the VT F&W site yet. This is the only official news to date on this topic. [ QUOTE ] For Immediate Release: March 7, 2005 Media Contacts: Wayne Laroche 802-241-3700 Rob Borowske 802-479-3322 Deer Hunting Changes Being Considered WATERBURY, VT - Three major changes in Vermont deer hunting rules are being discussed by the Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department and Board. Coming on the heels of four public hearings held by the board and before the department begins a series of five more hearings, the discussion reflects a desire to be responsive to the hunting public as well as what seems to be growing support for changes in Vermont deer hunting rules based on both sound science and public input. The three changes being discussed are as follows: 1. An antler restriction designed to protect yearling bucks during hunting seasons would be used statewide, rather than in just three of 24 Wildlife Management Units as proposed earlier by the department, an action that garnered strong support at the four public hearings held in February. 2. Antlerless deer hunting permits, formerly issued only for the December muzzleloader season, would also be applied to archery deer hunting. This major change is designed to better control the number of does and fawns taken in hunting seasons. This also would allow more rapid herd growth in areas where habitat would support more deer. 3. The annual limit on number of deer allowed per hunter would be reduced from three to two, a compromise reflecting public input at the February hearings. "The board and the department have been given a tremendous opportunity by the legislature to show that we can work together, using sound science provided by department wildlife biologists and public input gathered by the board," said Fish & Wildlife Commissioner Wayne Laroche. The Vermont legislature has set deer hunting laws since 1897, but in 2004 it gave the Fish and Wildlife Board the power to change many of those rules in a move seen by many to better prioritize legislative work. "We now have a chance to show that the board and the department can work together to manage one of Vermont's most important wildlife species, first, by law, based on what is right for the resource according to science, and secondly according to public input," said Vermont Fish and Wildlife Board Chairman Rob Borowske. "Board members are citizens who care deeply about Vermont's wildlife resources and the people who enjoy them, and we are committed to working successfully with the department to achieve these goals." Applying antlerless deer hunting permits to archery season is being proposed by wildlife managers in order to better control the number of does and fawns being removed from the herd in specific areas. In 2004, the number of antlerless deer taken in the statewide archery season was 2,503. The number of antlerless deer taken by unit-specific permit during the muzzleloader season was only 803. "We need to be more precise about how we manage deer today," said Laroche. "Using antlerless deer permits in archery season will enable us to stimulate herd growth faster by reducing the number of antlerless deer killed in sections of the state that can support more deer, and we will be able to prescribe removal of deer where it needs to occur." "The three changes being proposed are designed to retain as much hunting opportunity as possible between Vermont's archery, rifle and muzzleloader seasons," added Laroche, "while at the same time greatly improving our ability to manage deer." As deer hunting regulations are being updated, the Fish & Wildlife Department also has begun habitat improvement projects on many of its wildlife management areas. "Practices such as timber cutting prescribed to stimulate browse growth, brush-hogging of old fields, wildlife plantings, and releasing apple trees are being applied according to plans designed to provide better habitat for deer and many other wildlife," said Director of Wildlife Dr. Craig McLaughlin. "Wildlife will benefit on these state-owned wildlife management areas, but the sites will also serve as models for private landowners who want to try similar projects on their land." The board held its February hearings in Lyndonville, St. Albans, Rutland, and Springfield. The Fish & Wildlife Department has scheduled public deer hearings beginning at 7:00 p.m. as follows: March 16 - St. Albans, Educational Center Cafeteria March 22 - Barre, Spaulding High School Cafeteria March 23 - Orleans, Lake Region Union High School Cafeteria March 24 - Springfield, Springfield High School Cafeteria March 30 - Bennington, Mt. Anthony Union High School Cafeteria Fish and Wildlife Board members will meet with department personnel after these hearings before establishing a final proposed rule for changes in deer hunting regulations. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. OH GREAT Shawn,,,now Im even more confused on these new proposals..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Re: Vermont\'s deer herd cont. As I knew you would be. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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