carbonhunter Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. . My people will know you only as. BIGBS. Man of many strange and scary stories. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your forming a new handle in my head as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Still our second amendment rights are ours. They should not be extended to those from other countries PERIOD. As far as those who bought the guns,if they did not get them where they did, they would have just gotten them off the street. Give me a break people. You cannot stop someone who wants a gun bad enough from obtaining a gun. Make it more difficult yes, make it impossible never gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Once again we have a prime example of the lefts answer to everything....ban it, make it illegal....what, it's only "one right". You're reckless talk is the very thing that will someday allow that your rights and mine are taken away and my guess then is you'll be the first on the soap box crying about it. When is the left going to realize that you can't stop crime and you can't prevent criminal acts by taking away the rights of citizens? Your only answer to a judicial system that lacks the backbone to put away the criminal is to take away the rights of the law abidding citizens.....disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. ANd how many guns have they bought off the street without going thru the process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] Once again we have a prime example of the lefts answer to everything....ban it, make it illegal....what, it's only "one right". You're reckless talk is the very thing that will someday allow that your rights and mine are taken away and my guess then is you'll be the first on the soap box crying about it. When is the left going to realize that you can't stop crime and you can't prevent criminal acts by taking away the rights of citizens? Your only answer to a judicial system that lacks the backbone to put away the criminal is to take away the rights of the law abidding citizens.....disgusting. [/ QUOTE ] who are you talking to, you replied to william and he hasnt touched anything you have said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. What does the street have to do with anything???????? We all know you can get the guns off the streets if you try hard enough. Does that mean we just open up the doors to criminals and terrorists alike, heck since we know your gonna buy one on the street why dont you just come in here and get it. I like this way of thinking, guess we should legalize drugs,and prostitution. All things that in some areas are legal and have requirments for purchase, in other areas its not but if you want it bad enough they can all be purchased off the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. criminals are going to get guns, drugs whatever because there is no way to police everything all the time...no matter the amendment and all the rights of all of us...terrorists, criminals, drug dealers etc are going to have the capibilities to buy and sell weapons. but i do firmly belive our rights belong to americans and not those from other countries....good point wtnhunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. I'm referring to the idiotic that thinks our terrorist problems are a direct result of the Bill of Rights! ie. "2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns" while along doesn't put any blame on the judical system for allowing terrorist to walk the streets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] Hey slug, you keep avoiding rebuttals. Please comment. [ QUOTE ] I'm sure you must have a suggestion on what could have been done to prevent this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Sorry for the delay in a rebuttal, I have been undergoing some pain filled days and had an outpatient surgical procedure done today that will keep me in bed for most of the next week. My suggestion, do away with the USA PATRIOT act, or, if they want to continue profiling and denying folks who haven't been convicted of any crime from partaking in lawful activities, then enforce it across the board. I am trying to think of a certain word but it's hard to think when doped up on percocet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. ["doesn't put any blame on the judical system for allowing terrorist to walk the streets! [/ QUOTE ] another great point we need to up the punishment for crimes commited by suspected or known terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] ["doesn't put any blame on the judical system for allowing terrorist to walk the streets! [/ QUOTE ] another great point we need to up the punishment for crimes commited by suspected or known terrorists [/ QUOTE ] agreed. We need to harshen the penalties for criminals who break the gun laws we have as well. We dont need more laws just be strict about the ones on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] agreed. We need to harshen the penalties for criminals who break the gun laws we have as well. We dont need more laws just be strict about the ones on the books. [/ QUOTE ] CH, that is a great idea, but the problem is with the liberal prosecutors and judges! They either won't file the charges or they give them a slap on the wrist! I have been through this whole thing with this garbage from the liberal prosecutors and judges! Lived it for 5 years and it is unbelievable what they do or do not do with the existing "laws"! Spend some time in a courtroom listening to what goes on and you will get sick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] And how many guns have they bought off the street without going thru the process? [/ QUOTE ] My point was: they purchased 40+ by going thru the system, how many more can/could they get by going thru the street. And, keeping in line with the train of thought that it's OUR Constitution and OUR rights, they shouldn't be able to buy, but if they want them they can get them. Just like drugs and everything else that is illegal or should be our court system allows this to happen. Really kind of the liberal response I expected tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] Still our second amendment rights are ours. They should not be extended to those from other countries PERIOD. [/ QUOTE ] Where does it say that those on the terror suspect watch list are not American citizens, born and bred right here. If they are American citizens then they should be entitled to the same rights as any other American, included to be exempt from unlawful search or seizure, the right to privacy and to be secure in their own homes, but the USA PATRIOT act does not give them that right based on their nationality, color of skin, or last name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Ooooohhh brother. You just never give up sluggo. Maybe they are American citizens maybe they are not. The watchlist should have stopped them from buying period. Does that however stop them ultimately from buying guns ABSOLUTELY NOT. Does it make it more difficult maybe a little. When you have nutcase radicals with intents to kill or injure others they will find a way PERIOD!!! The problem is that under our rights unless they do something wrong they can only be watched. The patriot act utilized correctly can help in stopping would be terrorists from carrying out an attack though. [ QUOTE ] who are you talking to, you replied to william and he hasnt touched anything you have said. [/ QUOTE ] On that PH, you kind of got me confused in your reply there For the last time and Aaron if you want to turn this around and compare it to prostitution or drugs go right ahead, but you cannot stop a person from obtaining a gun. Make it tougher for them to find or buy one yes, make it impossible NO. If there were a simple solution to the problem it would be to remove all the suspected terrorists from the country to never let them re enter, but once again that infringes on rights, and how can you prove someones intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILD_BILL Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Some of you guys are so sharp. Way to go. You make excellent points. But the problem is, that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Sluggo/Bigbulls'r. Where'd he go anyways? All they really want to do is bash Bush. If Clinton had dreamed up the Pat. Act it would have been the greatest thing ever. But he didn't. I still say it's better for them to have bought a gun then to have gotten onto a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. I dont approve of them to be able to do that either, but you have to think if these people were really a danger to us, the FBI would step in. Im sure they are being watched very closely! slug..you gotta wonder if we had the patriot act back before 911, would they have been wrong to check out computers and do some investigating?? I wonder what would have happened then, and if the attack could have been stopped?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] For the last time and Aaron if you want to turn this around and compare it to prostitution or drugs go right ahead, but you cannot stop a person from obtaining a gun. Make it tougher for them to find or buy one yes, make it impossible NO. [/ QUOTE ] uhhh duhh thats what Ive said since the beginning, still dont think since its not impossible than they should be able to purchase in stores. I'm not turning anything around william, and your sentence is kinda confussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] All they really want to do is bash Bush. If Clinton had dreamed up the Pat. Act it would have been the greatest thing ever. But he didn't. [/ QUOTE ] Mr. I can't stand to listen to Bush speak, nothing good can come from a law that allows the government to infringe on your rights regardless of their intentions, I hate terrorists as much as the next guy, but who says the government isn't reading YOUR e-mail at this very moment, the USA PATRIOT act gives them that right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILD_BILL Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] but who says the government isn't reading YOUR e-mail at this very moment, the USA PATRIOT act gives them that right. [/ QUOTE ] So what!? I've got nothing to hide, and I wont be locked up like your buddies (BBS'r) cousin tomorrow either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Boy Slugo, WildBill is always after you isin't he...did you steal his Bronco or something Patroit Act? I have different opinions about it. I know I could create my own and it would be better than the current one...although that is in my opinion only though. First off...all terror suspects must die a horrrible death. The heck with trials and all that other BS, just kill them...all of them, they are guilty and they know it. 2nd, if you are not a US Citizen, you shouldn't be buying guns here anyway..go back to your own country and buy guns and kill people there, thats less people we have to kill when we come over and invade their country. 3rd, if you are a US Citizen and have a criminal record, you cannot buy a gun (though like CH said, you can still get them off the street pretty easy). 4th, if you committ a crime while being a gun owner, all of your guns are stripped from you. Now of course the Patroit Act is much larger and broader than that, I mean the thing is like 1000 pages long but those would be the top 4 things I would start out at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] but who says the government isn't reading YOUR e-mail at this very moment, the USA PATRIOT act gives them that right. [/ QUOTE ] So what!? I've got nothing to hide, and I wont be locked up like your buddies (BBS'r) cousin tomorrow either. [/ QUOTE ] I know, I know, you've got nothing to hide just like everybody else on here that has no problem with the USA PATRIOT act even thought it violates the Bill of Rights that you guys hold in such high regard as an infallible piece of legislation. I have nothing to hide either, but that doesn't give the government the right to violate my privacy or anyone else's I wonder if you would feel the same if the government was looking at your medical records, or how about a personal e-mail you sent to your sister, it's just the principal of the matter. Hey, WILD BILL, I'll let you in on another piece of info since you are new here and all, sometime last year I posed a question that included a situation that every gun owner on here just happens to be vehemently against. I asked them if they would have a problem with a national gun registration if it were included in the USA PATRIOT act, and you know what, not one person on here had a problem with gun registration as long as it was put under the guise of the USA PATRIOT act, actually, I think Carbonhunter thought the responses were ludacrist also. You guys complain about democrats trying to take away your rights to own a gun, but the Republicans have effectiveley revoked every piece of civil rights legislation with the USA PATRIOT act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. But TSBH, wouldnt killing them be infringing on thier rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13littleones Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Not sure what the tifftt is all about.... you keep using the word "legal" "legally".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: 2nd Amend. allows terror suspects to buy guns. Aaron guess this kind of confused me . Maybe I took it wrong. [ QUOTE ] I like this way of thinking, guess we should legalize drugs,and prostitution. All things that in some areas are legal and have requirments for purchase, in other areas its not but if you want it bad enough they can all be purchased off the street. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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