Ohiobucks Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 But not a year goes by that I don't half wish I was shooting XX-78 2315's again instead of carbons. They drove through WHATEVER got in front of them. Go for it Don! Easton XX78 Super Slam Digital 2315 Shafts, Easton Hunting Arrows, Easton Archery, Arrows & Shafts @ Ye Olde Archery Shoppe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 No need for the link. I still have a dozen or two here from the "old days". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Couple that with the fact that most everyone is shooting lightweight carbon shafts and you've doubled your chances for poor penetration. I shoot Steelforce 100's (cut on impact) and they penetrate like NUTZ !!!!!!! But not a year goes by that I don't half wish I was shooting XX-78 2315's again instead of carbons. They drove through WHATEVER got in front of them. They are making some heavy carbon stuff now. Check out the pile drivers and full metal jackets. I shoot FMJ's at 11.3 grains per inch with a 100 grain muzzy and a 27 grain nock. I'm throwing some serious weight and the arrow reflects that at 30 yards and more, but I've passed through every deer but the buck I spine shot last season. Note that I've busted through the opposite shoulder right in the thick of my buck that dressed at 208 and the follow up shot last season. Those deer were 5.5 and 6.5 for age so they had some serious bone structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 most manufacturers have got carbon shafts that go heavier than most people would ever want and super light ones. this industry has everything for anything, when it comes to equipment. we all have particular "ol' faithful" stuff that we can't help to think could still work just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 A friend of mine is going to FMJ's. Think I'll keep on slinging my axis 400 shafts for now. About a third of them break when I shoot a deer, but they sure don't bend when I was shooting 2213s back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 A friend of mine is going to FMJ's. Think I'll keep on slinging my axis 400 shafts for now. About a third of them break when I shoot a deer, but they sure don't bend when I was shooting 2213s back in the day. Try those CE Piledrivers. Supertough Carbons that hit like a truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I shoot FMJ's at 11.3 grains per inch That's more like it. The 2315's go 11.7 gr/in and my original 2117's are a whisker over 12 gr/in. The Browning carbons I've been shooting since 2004 are right around 8 gr/in and it shows. There's a severe difference in penetration between them. The 2117's were rolling out at 208 fps (with a 145 gr. head) and the only thing that stopped them was the dirt on the other side of a deer. My carbons are right in the 265 fps neighborhood and penetration is most usually sufficient. But never astounding. Pretty compelling argument to be made for projectile momentum no matter what the broadhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Check out Magnus. I use fixed 4-blade deals. 99% of the deer I hit drop right where I hit them. The other 1% did run but dropped with 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Check out Magnus. I use fixed 4-blade deals. 99% of the deer I hit drop right where I hit them. The other 1% did run but dropped with 30 yards. Frankly, I suspect you are mostly spine shooting deer. A heart shot deer will run at least a short distance every single time regardless of broadhead type. The only time I've ever dropped an animal right there with an arrow is from a spine shot. Magnus makes great heads but they aren't dropping a deer right there with a hear/lung shot. On deer 30-120yds is what you should expect from a well placed shot with a good head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Still trying new broadheads. Those fmjs are serious arrows. Only one deer which was spine shot wasn't a pass through. It's also worth noting that I shoot 90% of my deer through at least one shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Nope, all the der were heart shots. That is my personal experience with Magnus, I will stick with them:rockon: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrown Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 I agree to a point, a heavier arrow is good, but at what point do you sacrifice speed for weight? You can easlily solve the problem, take a second or two more and make a good shot! I shot a cow elk at 55+ yards two years ago, my carbon was 8.2 gr/in w/fixed blade, complete pass through! I have shot more deer quartering to than away, I like to know I'm pile driving that arrow into the chest, making sure I don't skip it off the shoulder blade though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flintlock1776 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Negative. All heart shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Ended up with a quiver full of both muzzy and some ramcats this year. Also swapping a ramcat with my buddy for a slicktrick, just for kicks and grins. Going to be a smorgasbord of death lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Weight is subjective. No arguing a heavier arrow helps penetration though. I've heard a lot of bowhunters say they end up around 280 fps being a good compromise with speed, even with newer fast bows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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