535hunter Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Practiced at 20 yards today. shot a paper plate. i was a bit rusty since its been about a month. Im more than comfortable out to that far but its hard pressed to find a spot to go out past twenty. There's one outdoor range that goes out to 40 but with the work schedule its hard to get to the safety class required to use it. Is there much of a difference when shooting from a stand compared to the ground? i know that line of sight might be further than it actually is but does the arrow fly any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailfreak55 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 It does I would practice from a stand a couple times to just get it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ok. do you know if its a dramatic difference or about the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 It's definitley different and the further your yardage the more different it is. If you are in a stand say at 18' and you range find a deer at 23 yards at an angle that deer in a straight line is more like 20 yards, it has to do with arrow drop... because you are shooting at a downward angle gravity doesn't have as much an effect on your arrow as it does when you are shooting level with something. Even at this yardage those 3 yards can certainly make a difference but double the yardage and you could go from a vital shot to spining a deer or shooting over top of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 with the ranging of the deer from the elevation change do it really pay off to get a range finder with the angle technology? it seems like it would be but if anyone has any experience with them and could offer insight on them it would go a long way. also i have already figured out the best way to get good at it is just going out and practicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAB125275 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 with the ranging of the deer from the elevation change do it really pay off to get a range finder with the angle technology? it seems like it would be but if anyone has any experience with them and could offer insight on them it would go a long way. also i have already figured out the best way to get good at it is just going out and practicing. It absolutly does ! With the RANGE FINDER there is NO QUESS WORK ! Buy One ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I was thinking about a wild game innovation one but have no experience with that brand. Any ideas on a good reliable one thats cost effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 1st off the actual distance isn't as much as others have said. 20 yards away (60') & being 18' up a tree puts you only at ~21 yards (62.64' to be exact) away from your target. It gets better with distance for example at 40 yards it's ~40.5 yards. You're welcome to check my algebra. With that said though, the tendency is to shoot high at close ranges due to the angle if you're sighted in at ground level. At close ranges I go for center to the lower 1/2 heart shots. At 30 or more yards I shoot for upper heart. Just my $.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrown Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 There are two things you can do, 1. Sight your bow in a little low to allow for angle, or 2. Sight your bow in from the roof. I don't think there's a need to go spend some serious $$$ unless your hunting the mountains or have a stand out of a cotton wood, or you have the money to blow. I worry more about the size of the rangefinders myself, more compact and easier to tote the better. I use the Redfield Raider, AWESOME range finder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSeb53 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I have a bushnell 1000 ARC.. it shows you the calculated yardage difference by figuring in the angle from you to your target. Rhino hit it spot on, the yardage difference isn't enough to worry about IMO. However, you need to consider the deer jumping the string. Always aim for the heart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I never aim for the heart. I always try to put an arrow through both lungs. The heart is about the size of your clenched fist. The lungs are each the size of a football. You can miss low on a heart shot so it is not worth that unnecessary risk. If I came upon a downed deer and it was still breathing and not moving, that would be the time to finish him with a heart shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 There are two things you can do, 1. Sight your bow in a little low to allow for angle, or 2. Sight your bow in from the roof. I don't think there's a need to go spend some serious $$$ unless your hunting the mountains or have a stand out of a cotton wood, or you have the money to blow. I worry more about the size of the rangefinders myself, more compact and easier to tote the better. I use the Redfield Raider, AWESOME range finder. I use the Leupold RX-1000. Great for rifle or bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It absolutly does ! With the RANGE FINDER there is NO QUESS WORK ! Buy One ! I cannot imagine hunting without a range finder. Rifle or bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 with the ranging of the deer from the elevation change do it really pay off to get a range finder with the angle technology? it seems like it would be but if anyone has any experience with them and could offer insight on them it would go a long way. also i have already figured out the best way to get good at it is just going out and practicing. You do not need angle technology as long as you are not geometrically challenged. Just think about it. On a shot straight up or straight down, the drop will always be zero. On a flat shot, the drop will always be 100%. Notice the shape of the "L" angle. That equals 90 degrees. Therefore 100% equals 90 degrees. Therefore further, since 100 / 90 = 11, for every 10 degrees of angle, you need to adjust your range by decreasing it 11%. To figure out angle, just look at your target, and imagine what flat looks like, and imagine what 45 degrees looks like, and estimate where in between your target is. It applies to bowshots as well as rifle shots. Only with bowshots you will be dealing with up to 50 yards max, and with rifle shots up to 500. It is quite hard to hit anything with a bow past 50 yards, and quite difficult to see anything past 500 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Practiced at 20 yards today. shot a paper plate. i was a bit rusty since its been about a month. Im more than comfortable out to that far but its hard pressed to find a spot to go out past twenty. There's one outdoor range that goes out to 40 but with the work schedule its hard to get to the safety class required to use it. Is there much of a difference when shooting from a stand compared to the ground? i know that line of sight might be further than it actually is but does the arrow fly any different? In Coastal California, the bow season is already over and the rifle season has begun. I did all the practicing you are now doing back in March thru August. I ended up with one good stalk on what turned out to be a spike, so I could not take the shot with my bow, since here in Cali spikes are not legal. The other bucks were too far away, so the bowseason became the scouting season. Now during rifle I have been out twice so far, but no good shots on any bucks yet. But fortunately the bucks are out there somewhere. I have already put away the bow though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 From reading all your posts 535 let me just say this, you're over-thinking things. Just learn to step off ranges and make notes of your target ranges. Range fingers are nice but far from necessity. Angle calculations are also nice but has little to do with you hitting the spot your pin is aimed at. Nothing wrong with buying a few gadgets but if you think it's going to greatly improve your hunt you will be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 1st off the actual distance isn't as much as others have said. 20 yards away (60') & being 18' up a tree puts you only at ~21 yards (62.64' to be exact) away from your target. It gets better with distance for example at 40 yards it's ~40.5 yards. You're welcome to check my algebra. With that said though, the tendency is to shoot high at close ranges due to the angle if you're sighted in at ground level. At close ranges I go for center to the lower 1/2 heart shots. At 30 or more yards I shoot for upper heart. Just my $.02. 535, Rhino is correct in what he says here. I misspoke about the further distance making it worse, this is a good informative post from rhino so I would listen to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 ... Angle calculations are also nice but has little to do with you hitting the spot your pin is aimed at... . If you practiced from a tree stand, that is true. If you practed flat, and then you have a 45 degree shot up or down within a canyon, your effective range will be 1/2 of your true distance, and you will miss if you do not make the correction. I take it you are a tree stand hunter and you sight-in your pins from your tree stand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Shoot from the ground, hunt from 20+ feet. I'm not saying it makes no difference, just not a very significant one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I got to get myself in a tree and keep letting arrows fly. It's a lot easier having a lot of people to help in areas like this. Never having anyone to show you anything about hunting with is a bow is tough so if you all got any more advice, hint, trick or just plain ole guidance I'd appreciate it. Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Shoot from the ground, hunt from 20+ feet. I'm not saying it makes no difference, just not a very significant one. You are correct, from 20 ft up, on a 20 ft shot, the effective range will be 10 ft, and there is not much difference in your pins with a compound bow between 10 and 20 ft. You will still hit the vital zone. At any other distance, in yards, the difference of 10 ft up would be minimal as the range increases because then the angle decreases. It would make a huge difference on a 30 yd shot, at a 45 degree angle, in a gorge, for which the effective range would be 15 yds, because there is a big difference between a 15 yd and a 30 yd shot, and then you could miss. Edited August 27, 2012 by Shoobee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) I got to get myself in a tree and keep letting arrows fly. It's a lot easier having a lot of people to help in areas like this. Never having anyone to show you anything about hunting with is a bow is tough so if you all got any more advice, hint, trick or just plain ole guidance I'd appreciate it. Thanks everyone. A rangefinder is also good for when you just get to your tree or ground stand, and then you want to range different landmarks, like that tree or this tree. Then you would know what pin to use when you later see a deer walk up. You can do the angle adjustment in your head too. A 45 degree shot will be one-half the setting of what the true distance is. If you are not very high up though, this won't matter much. Then a 45 degree shot would only be pretty close to your stand, and the pin would be the same. The math works like this: 45 degrees divided by 10 equals 4.5. 4.5 times 11% equals 49.5% which rounds to 50%. The other way to remember this is that 45 degrees is 1/2 of 90 degrees and you already know why 90 degrees up or down from flat level equals 100% correction back to your flattest pin. Half of 45 degrees is 23 degrees, and that equals a 1/4 correction. So a 40 yd shot at that angle would effectively be a 30 yd shot. In that case you would need to use a whole different pin. Even though it is only a 23 degree angle (half of 45 degrees). Edited August 27, 2012 by Shoobee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 i agree and disagree with stuff said for what that's worth. the higher you are and closer the deer to the tree, the more the effect. unless you're 20+ feet up and the deer is 10 yards or less away, like some said it's not really an issue (geometry will show you). at longer range like shooting a gun down into a canyon you'd also need to consider this. however, we're talking bow ranges here. similar to this is shooting to the down hill side from a treestand. people shooting high has a lot to do with a lot of stuff. lol the closer the deer is the more it can hear and react to the sound of your bow, thus dropping at the shot. Also, many people move their arm down or up and change their form to shoot at such steep angles. this makes them shoot high. you should draw to a comfortable position and then bend down at the waist to aim. things just look different from up in a tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 1st off the actual distance isn't as much as others have said. 20 yards away (60') & being 18' up a tree puts you only at ~21 yards (62.64' to be exact) away from your target. It gets better with distance for example at 40 yards it's ~40.5 yards. You're welcome to check my algebra. With that said though, the tendency is to shoot high at close ranges due to the angle if you're sighted in at ground level. At close ranges I go for center to the lower 1/2 heart shots. At 30 or more yards I shoot for upper heart. Just my $.02. So what you are saying is that its not really a big enough difference to justify buying a $200 or $300 rangefinder just to give the angle? Or a big enough difference to use anything other than the pin to which yardage he is at from the base of the tree? Example: The deer is 20yds from the base of the tree. Unless you are more than 15 or 18ft high, it is still a 20yd pin shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 I think you're getting it now. I'll also add this, learn to judge range on your own without a range finder. If you become dependent on it I promise it will let you down. Like skipping learning times tables cuz you have a calculator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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