ruttinbuc Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'd have to say it really bothers me, too. Hunters and attitudes have certainly changed with the times. To me it all starts with the hootin' and hollerin' on a "big ole smack daddy" with absolutely no reverence to what just occurred. The extent to which some of these actors take it is mind boggling at times. The commercialization and the ever loosening standards in all of society can be the blame. The word sportsman has been replaced by big ego and self righteousness. It is one thing to be excited, but really? North American Whitetail TVNorth American Whitetail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 This really bothers me! I remember that show. Dad just laughs the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamoGuy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I hate to point this out, especially on this particular forum, but the hunting related companies have contributed to the whole concept that you are unhappy with. Every year there is a new camo pattern that guarantees you will not be spotted by your prey, a new bow that is .0000000001 seconds faster, a new broadhead that is sharper and more aerodynamic than any other, a new hunting boot that is more comfortable, a new scent that draws them in better than any other, a new call that attracts only the biggest of bucks...and as hunters we literally buy into it. Adding to the problem, every outdoors personality is so busy selling these products and telling you how much better of a hunter they make him or her that you rarely if ever hear any mention of the importance of shot placement. Long gone are the days of Dan Fitzgerald being happy to take a 2-year-old doe. Rarely do you hear a "Jimminy Christmas!!" like that of Roger Raglin after dropping a buck in his tracks with one shot. Instead you hear the famous personalities lamenting that their deer will "only" measure around 150 or you see them shoot the deer in the moring but not recover it until almost dark with no mention of the fact that it was gut-shot. Yes, you can blame the hunters if you want, I blame their heroes and the companies that those heroes represent. They are the role models that set the standard and rarely do they set much of a standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 How many times do you see the guys on tv take shots that some guys in these forums think are bad shots? A lot of guys, including myself, only have what they see/read from tv and internet. You can't always say a hunter doesn't care, he/she is only going by what they learn how they can learn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 This really bothers me! Sc- tv has been a real detriment in recent years given all the crap they put out now. It's impossible to know what's right and wrong from that perspective. Just keep posting questions and guys on the forum will help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The OP mentioned that hunting is a "privilege" and not a "right". I hate to tell you this but it is a right in some states. When I lived in Vermont it had been since the place became a state. Seems they didn't want the ability to feed themselves to be contingent on the mood of the people in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hoosier, I agree that a lot of the stuff you see on hunting shows (attractants, scent eliminating clothing, that new rubline green slime stuff) is junk and probably doesn't make a difference in the woods, but if I see Michael Waddell, Bill Jordan, David Blanton take a quartering to or away shot, I as a newcomer to bowhunting i can only think that is an ok shot to take. Obviously we all want a perfect broadside shot, but pro hunters lead us to believe other shots are just as effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hoosier, I agree that a lot of the stuff you see on hunting shows (attractants, scent eliminating clothing, that new rubline green slime stuff) is junk and probably doesn't make a difference in the woods, but if I see Michael Waddell, Bill Jordan, David Blanton take a quartering to or away shot, I as a newcomer to bowhunting i can only think that is an ok shot to take. Obviously we all want a perfect broadside shot, but pro hunters lead us to believe other shots are just as effective. If you get a quartering away shot where the animal is facing away at 45 degreees to broadside take it. You will angle the arrow through most of the vitals and you'll never see an animal go down quicker. Study the animal and know where the vitals are and you'll see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 What m gardner last said is great advice, a quartering away shot is a great shot to take and animals tend to go down quicker. If we had to always wait for a perfect broadside shot there would be a lot less deer taken every year as things don't always pan out as you'd like. Study the vitals and practice quartering to and quartering away shots on any type of target and just try and picture those vitals and what you would be hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 What m gardner last said is great advice, a quartering away shot is a great shot to take and animals tend to go down quicker. Yep...actually a better choice IMO. It opens up the vitals a little more than a perfect broadside shot. Unless it's a very severe angle for the quartering away shot just use the off side leg as your line to pick your point where you want your arrow to exit. Now the opposite is the case when quartering toward you. That's puts more of the vitals behind the shoulder blade. That's not a problem with a firearm but it sure is a risky shot with a bow. Just my $.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 This really bothers me! Those shoulder hits are the reason I shoot fixed blades and 11.3gpi arrows. Just remember that speed doesn't offset the loss in kenetic energy from a heavier arrow. My hunting setup is at 278FPS. That's very slow compared to my bow IBO being 334FPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Yep...actually a better choice IMO. It opens up the vitals a little more than a perfect broadside shot. Unless it's a very severe angle for the quartering away shot just use the off side leg as your line to pick your point where you want your arrow to exit. Now the opposite is the case when quartering toward you. That's puts more of the vitals behind the shoulder blade. That's not a problem with a firearm but it sure is a risky shot with a bow. Just my $.02 +1 I LOVE the quartering away shot, prefer it to the broadside shot. First you are out of the deer's field of vision, ears pointed away, great shot on vitals too. I will not take a quartering to shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m gardner Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 Yep...actually a better choice IMO. It opens up the vitals a little more than a perfect broadside shot. Unless it's a very severe angle for the quartering away shot just use the off side leg as your line to pick your point where you want your arrow to exit. Now the opposite is the case when quartering toward you. That's puts more of the vitals behind the shoulder blade. That's not a problem with a firearm but it sure is a risky shot with a bow. Just my $.02 I actually killed a 5 point bull elk last year on a quartering to shot. G-5 Montec broadhead and Victory Armor Piercing arrow. Fifty pound Bowtech Captain bow. I watched him die. When you call elk they charge in sometimes and that's your only shot. You better have practiced it. Yes 50 pounds is plenty of bow for elk. They shoot twice as fast as the old recurves we used back in the 1960's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Those shoulder hits are the reason I shoot fixed blades and 11.3gpi arrows. Just remember that speed doesn't offset the loss in kenetic energy from a heavier arrow. My hunting setup is at 278FPS. That's very slow compared to my bow IBO being 334FPS. Heck with my short draw length the only way I'm getting through a shoulder is with a rifle. LOL I just stay away from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 So should I set my climber so I am quartered to the trail, thus giving me a quartering shot on the deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 This really bothers me! I'd set up about 20 yards from the trail. The deer will offer both broadside and quartering away shots doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbuck06 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 if i were you i would just set up so that the trail is at about 11 O'clock (assuming that you are right handed, that way the shot comes almost natural to your body. But with my luck the deer never come down the right trail anyhow so just be prepared to make a shot from any direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Just get a tree with cover, not like they will flow down the trail like a car on a highway and never turn. Any deer you see in range is going to eventually give you every angle possible (unless they bust you). You just have to capitalize on the opportunity when it arises. You're seriously thinking about this too much, go get in the tree already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Haha! I know I am. After not finding my first bow dee 2 weeks agao, I'm trying to give myself every possible chance to redeem myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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