bowhunter97 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Which one would you suggest that i get? This will probably make a difference but i am shooting about 58 lbs and at a 25.5 inch draw. With easton flatlines 500's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 2 or 3 blade rage Neither. Shoot a fixed blade. Your short draw length combined with poundage and a light arrow isn't generating enough energy to shoot an expandable that will give quality results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoobee Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 3 blades are better than two. Not sure I buy the suggestion that you need more energy to deploy the expanding broadheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 2 or 3 blade rage Shoobee Here's the stats: I based IBO of 330fps 25.5 draw length Pounds 58 Arrow weight of total 296 grains 6.5gpi arrows This puts your kenetic energy at 50ft/lbs b/c your actual arrow speed is about 275fps. Its almost universally accepted that a rage needs 60dt/lbs or any expandable for that matter. Rage does have the 40k model, but again do some research and you will see real world opinion on attempting this. This simply means the arrow will penetrate a non bone hit animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 yea also think that if you choose to shoot a Rage head your better with the 40KE. the cut isn't as wide and the blades are angled more so you'll get more penetration compared to the other Rage heads. try them and if they work well for you to the point where you gain confidence in them then stay with them. if not then switch to something else until you get that confidence. if what you're shooting now works then stick with it. if it ain't broke then don't fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Neither. Shoot a fixed blade. Your short draw length combined with poundage and a light arrow isn't generating enough energy to shoot an expandable that will give quality results. Agreed!! And fixed blades getting better penetration and usually cost less. IMHO Rage heads are worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter97 Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Thanks i shoot muzzys now but i need new ones cause my dad is gunna start shooting again and im usig his since i need more of my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Neither. Shoot a fixed blade. Your short draw length combined with poundage and a light arrow isn't generating enough energy to shoot an expandable that will give quality results. Spot On!! Just think about all the television hosts that have deer run away with the arrow flopping around. You see much less for pass throughs nowadays. I will argue the theory that 2 holes is better than one every day of the week. P.S. I understand fully that I opened the door pretty wide there for some pretty funny jokes so feel free is so desired. :poke: Edited August 28, 2012 by PotashRLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter42 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 stick with Muzzy they are a great broadhead and since hardly any of the pros are shooting them now they have went down in price and they are great I think. I have shot them since I started hunting 6 years ago and had great luck with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scbasshunter Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I have never messed with mechanicals. I just don't trust them. Seems like there is too much that could go wrong with them. Do the blades have a tendency to break on pass throughs or when hitting bone? All I know is that the first deer I shot with a bow, the arrow went all the way through. I am only shooting 55lbs. I use Muzzy MX3. I also really like that they come with practice blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haldermand Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 2 or 3 blade rage I have to agree with not shooting a mechanical... Especially not Rage!! Fixed blade is where it's at. They simply don't fail. I shot Muzzy 100's for years. Killed several deer with them. They gave me great penetration and blood trails. I just didn't like having to get new blades so much and I didn't like the idea of the blades screwing in. I bought some one piece welded heads. The NAP HellRazors. I'm hoping they do well for me this year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 there's a lot of Rage haters in here lol as i said, just pick whatever you're confident in. if your dad's Muzzys work with your setup then go buy new ones of the same kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I didn't like the 3-blades when they were first released, I bought a pack didn't like em, and haven't tried them since, might have even threw them away. I like the 2-blades though, I carry a couple in my quiver when I go out. Like anything, you are going to find some people who like them and some who don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 First off i dont care wat any body says about rage its the best broadhead ever. I myself have killed over 20 deer with rage the last two years and have watched ever one of them died. By far in my opinion rage is the best and i have the proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 2 or 3 blade rage Looks like we have an expert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Wat u have is experience!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogg6 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I have been using the 2 blade for a few years now and have had great success. Used muzzys before that with my old set up with success also. I personally will stock with the rage. But the biggest thing with no matter what type you use is shot placement. You put your arrow where it needs to be they will go down fast no matter what broadhead you use. Good luck in your future hunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSeb53 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I have been using the 2 blade for a few years now and have had great success. Used muzzys before that with my old set up with success also. I personally will stock with the rage. But the biggest thing with no matter what type you use is shot placement. You put your arrow where it needs to be they will go down fast no matter what broadhead you use. Good luck in your future hunts. Agreed on shot placement. However, I like to be prepared for things out of my control :bang:.. Last year I shot a doe right square in the shoulder blade with a G5 T3. Almost NO penetration resulted in a lost deer after hours and hours of searching. Lesson learned. This year my bow will be broadhead tuned and I will be shooting a fixed blade head. Trying out the WASP Boss SST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 i'm not sure i know of any broadhead that will penetrate the lower end of the shoulder blade or leg bone. they aren't best for every setup but they do work and work well... otherwise people wouldn't use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeck Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm going to show my age on this one, but I remember Jack Creamer who shot for Jennings showing me the first Cam Bow at Larry Wise's garage and telling me how he shot through a deer with it. LOL I remember wondering why you would want to shoot completely through a deer. We had some pass throughs in those days but most shot did not go completely through the deer. I have never shot through a shoulder, I have hit them but never got through one. I shoot 70 lb. with a 25.5 draw length. I usually er to the back of the rib cage instead of towards the shoulder. I have taken deer with fixed and expandables and have yet to have one complain about which I was using. I do like the rage, but hear me I only take high margin shots. I won't take any slightly quartering to shots, no hard angle quartering away shots. and never straight down, my set up wont allow them. If you are willing to accept the limits of the equiptment you use then use it. If not stick with a rifle. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 2 or 3 blade rage Db I shot my last two bucks through the off shoulder and passed through with a muzzy. When I say shoulder I mean you can't hit a thicker part than what I did and I have pics showing it. I'm 99 percent certain a rage would not have done that along with any other mechanical blade. I am shooting 87 ke which is higher than almost every deer hunter out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlott89 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I heard Alot of good about the 2 blade im thinkin of gettin some myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Db I shot my last two bucks through the off shoulder and passed through with a muzzy. When I say shoulder I mean you can't hit a thicker part than what I did and I have pics showing it. I'm 99 percent certain a rage would not have done that along with any other mechanical blade. I am shooting 87 ke which is higher than almost every deer hunter out there. yup 87 ft-lbs of kinetic energy is a lot. i'm shooting 65 lbs with an Evo and i'm at pretty close to 82 as an educated guess. you must have a fast bow (330+ fps IBO), long draw, or both. with an average setup i wouldn't think a Muzzy would pass through either. not trying to say a mechanical or Rage is better than a fixed blade. just saying to knock mechanicals and say they're junk or scorn the person for wanting to use them is silly. both work, each works better than the other in certain aspects. this is like a Ford vs Chevy thing... both can get the job done. no need to worry Pat. you'll always be a stubborn fixed blade guy. i'm ok with it and won't try to sway ya to the other side. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) Looks like we have an expert Yep and killing over 20 on two years, must be nice bag limits as well. Edited September 16, 2012 by redkneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yep and killing over 20 on two years, must be nice bag limits as well. I was wondering the smae thing... must hunt a handful of states to be able to average 10 deer per year. Where you from jase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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