spam?

[bowhunter42]

I think we have a spammer.

[Shoobee]

I think we have a spammer.

Just about anyone out trolling for Mitt is a spammer at this point.

37% after his 47% comments.

Might as well turn out the lights, the party's over now.

[wtnhunt]

Helps to give links if possible.

Just about anyone out trolling for Mitt is a spammer at this point.

37% after his 47% comments.

Might as well turn out the lights, the party's over now.

Must have missed it if we had a spammer "trolling for Romney" here? Care to explain. Did take out some trash earlier though.

Reagan was trailing against Carter just weeks before the 1980 election. Romney is certainly not Reagan and Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter, would not anything is over at this point.

[Shoobee]

I just got back from 5 days in the woods/mountains, so have not heard what today's political ratings are.

The above were from the WSJ and Pew.

It was nice to be in nature, completely absorbed in the question of where are the buck deer and how high do we need to climb these canyons and cliffs to get up there.

At our campfire we did get into a discussion of the evolution and development of ancient Athenian democracy. In the USA we use democracy for direct elections of presidents and governors and mayors, whereas otherwise we use Roman republic elections of senators, representatives, and councilmen/women.

To win either type of election, you need to "appeal" to a majority of the voters. Different candidates utilize different types of appeals. The one who appeals to a majority is normally the winner.

The present national presidential election is a classic example of that process working its way through the campaign season, and on to elections this coming November.

Personally I hope gun rights are held safe, but neither candidate for US president has a stellor record on that, although one has paid lip service, although not actual historic actions, while the other is innocent of any present charges although being associated with control efforts.

Personally I agree with FDR and LBJ on social security and medicare, and I hope those are not sacrificed on the alter of partisanship.

Personally I agree with low taxation, as low as possible. But somehow the basic needs of federal governmental services need to be paid for. Both parties are woefully in the habit of expanding the deficit and the national debt. Only Clinton saw surplusses, and the other party does not give him any credit for that.

I did not regret missing the talking points of either party during the past 5 days that I was away in the woods/mountains.

Got an emergency message to hurry back after 5 days though to help solve a crisis back at the office. So I will spend a day or two back, cleaning up, going into the office, then I will head back into the woods/mountains for more hunting.

I agree that any game is not over until the fat lady sings. Good point.

Tennessee is not a swing state. Neither is California. It is indeed over in both those states therefore.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Shoobee

[Shoobee]

Update: Now the spread in the swing states seems to be 53% to 43%.

Need I say who is in front?

The major latest issue in movement is due to the recent 47% comments.

The polling is by NYT/CBS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/us/politics/polls-show-obama-widening-lead-in-ohio-and-florida.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www

[wtnhunt]

This discussion really should be in the political room and not in a post in the lounge about spam.

Personally I hope gun rights are held safe, but neither candidate for US president has a stellor record on that, although one has paid lip service, although not actual historic actions, while the other is innocent of any present charges although being associated with control efforts.

Only comfort I find on that one issue is that Romney has Ryan on the ticket and no doubt Ryan supports our rights.

Personally I agree with FDR and LBJ on social security and medicare, and I hope those are not sacrificed on the alter of partisanship.

You believe Obama will keep those programs safe?

Personally I agree with low taxation, as low as possible. But somehow the basic needs of federal governmental services need to be paid for. Both parties are woefully in the habit of expanding the deficit and the national debt. Only Clinton saw surplusses, and the other party does not give him any credit for that.

He does not get as much credit as should be due for the failure oversought in the housing market under his terms. Let's look at why things were going "well" under Clinton, Bill Gates with microsoft and the bad housing loans that were written under Clinton certainly helped the economy, downsized military and cut military programs also contributed to additional money that was not being spent.

Obama admin has become the foodstamp presidency, better than 1 in 7 people in this country are on foodstamps. Who do we think is paying for it?

Misery index is the worst I have seen it in my lifetime, no wonder physicians are noting steep inclines in depression cases, and of all places that story was run on nbc. Inflated fuel and food prices and a struggling economy that is not understood by this president.

Tennessee is not a swing state. Neither is California. It is indeed over in both those states therefore.

So I should not waste my time to vote, since it is over here? Sounds like what the msm often says ahead of people going to the polls on election day. Could see where people would decide to not stand in lines, what's the point right?

[mike]

This discussion really should be in the political room and not in a post in the lounge about spam.

Only comfort I find on that one issue is that Romney has Ryan on the ticket and no doubt Ryan supports our rights.

You believe Obama will keep those programs safe?

He does not get as much credit as should be due for the failure oversought in the housing market under his terms. Let's look at why things were going "well" under Clinton, Bill Gates with microsoft and the bad housing loans that were written under Clinton certainly helped the economy, downsized military and cut military programs also contributed to additional money that was not being spent.

Obama admin has become the foodstamp presidency, better than 1 in 7 people in this country are on foodstamps. Who do we think is paying for it?

Misery index is the worst I have seen it in my lifetime, no wonder physicians are noting steep inclines in depression cases, and of all places that story was run on nbc. Inflated fuel and food prices and a struggling economy that is not understood by this president.

So I should not waste my time to vote, since it is over here? Sounds like what the msm often says ahead of people going to the polls on election day. Could see where people would decide to not stand in lines, what's the point right?

couldn't agree more William

[Shoobee]

couldn't agree more William

Those seem to be common views held in the red states which are not swing states.

Common views are not necessarily correct or incorrect, they are simply views.

The prevailing view in the blue states is that the Romney/Ryan ticket cannot be trusted, whereas the Obama/Biden ticket has a track record at least.

It is the swing states that matter now.

Sure everyone should vote, whether red state or blue state or swing state.

It is the prevailing viewpoints in those various states that are significant.

I believe in democracy, defined as the actual voting of actual people. I believe everyone, 100% of the population, should register and vote, everywhere, whether red state or blue state or swing state.

There are no correct or incorrect answers to the USA's (or any other nation's) political issues.

There is only democracy available to settle these issues.

Then after the vote is counted, everyone should agree to abide by the majority rule.

Unlike the eve of the American Civil War, when the South broke away because they were unhappy about the election of Lincoln, which it was feared in the South would lead somehow to the end of slavery. Breaking away or other such rebellion seems totally inappropriate and counterproductive in a democracy.

The whole reason we have a democracy is to finally settle issues. After the vote count, the issues are therefore settled.

Edited September 28, 2012 by Shoobee

[wtnhunt]

The whole reason we have a democracy is to finally settle issues. After the vote count, the issues are therefore settled.

This country was founded as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

[Shoobee]

This country was founded as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

You are correct, the senators and representatives are elected as in a republic.

The president is elected as in a democracy however.

The states are similar. The assemblymen/women and state senators are elected as in a republic. The governors are elected as in a democracy however.