PotashRLS Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I don't do facebook. A couple buddies do and tell me that my sister-in-law is spewing her love of Obama all over facebook. She has never talked politics or election stuff in the past, likely out of being secretive. She has a newer "gov.t" job on the county level and has a BS from UWGB (big libs). I work pretty hard to help educate family and friends on the media bias but she has apparently boughten into the "Hope & Change" part 2.:stupid: How Frustrating!!! :bang: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Don't feel too bad, some people have to have their eyes opened for themselves to see. I have a pretty well educated cousin and an aunt who voted for him last time around. Tried to enlighten my aunt, but she also had bought into the hope and change and stuff my cousin was telling my aunt about how great Obama was, funny thing my aunt is not gonna vote for Obama again. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Sister-in-law is a lib Live & let live man. Dinner table politics is not a hill worth dying on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 he's a slick talker for sure....other than puting the U.S. deeper in debt with the payback, or so called "stimulas", and now the Obammacare health scam package..he's knocking the legs out from under Uncle Sam unfortunatly, many fall for the what can you give me ideology..and not what is best for America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Thought you guys might enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 that's the very free phone i'd mentioned in another thread. 19 million so far. what do the poor need with a phone. 50% more on social security disability. fifty percent more on food stamps. all this free stuff to buy a vote. i've mentioned before that i have a very good friend of over 4o years, who is wolf blitzers cousin. total lib and a jew. i ask her all the time how the jews could vote 86%for a muslim? but, they seem to love obama. so, no tears when israel vaporizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sister-in-law is a lib Again.....The FCC started the phone program in 1984 under Reagan. Check out the links I posted in the other thread. Also Obama is not a mooslim. Don't ya just hate it when the facts ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 ......what do the poor need with a phone........ What should the minimum income level be in order to be able to cal 911? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 911 is accessible through nearly all old phones that are retired. A service contract is not required. Why are there phone drives around collecting old outdated cell phones for the military? Why not give them to the needy with new phones going to the veterans? Tell me why we needed to dismantle our public land line phones when they are/were well established around the country for a long time? They were a service to the public. Besides, it is not a basic right to be provided a cell phone....period, no matter what president started it. I didn't know cell phones were available in 1984. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Besides, it is not a basic right to be provided a cell phone....period, no matter what president started it. I didn't know cell phones were available in 1984. Come on, Reagan gave bag phones to all the poor folks back in 84.:wacko: Seriously think all who had cell phones back then were military or the extremely wealthy. What should the minimum income level be in order to be able to cal 911? The wireless phones being given for free to those who qualify are being given with up to 250 minutes a month, why so many minutes if the phone's purpose is for 911? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 you're really going to use calling 911 as an excuse or justification for handing out phones to the lower income?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm going to have to work harder to clarify my point I guess. I'm not trying to justify any federal program, especially one that provides "assistance" to the needy. Like most Federal programs, the "welfare" system has inefficiencies, exploitation, and lack of accountability. However, its not a black and white world, things are not straight forward as many people would like them to be. There are indeed elderly and deserving needy that use these programs appropriatly. We live in a society, one might even say the US is the most diverse society in the world. Should'nt we have compassion for other people? Come on, Reagan gave bag phones to all the poor folks back in 84.:wacko: Seriously think all who had cell phones back then were military or the extremely wealthy. Read the links I posted, this program was started in 1984 under Reagan, it was expanded to include Cell Phones in 1996 under Clinton. The wireless phones being given for free to those who qualify are being given with up to 250 minutes a month, why so many minutes if the phone's purpose is for 911? If this is true (Link?) than I agree, that seems excessive. I believe there are just as many people truly benefiting from these programs that there are taking advantage of them. I sure did, when I was a kid my Dad left us high and dry. If not for food stamps/rental assistance we would've gone hungry & lived in a car without a doubt. I currently support a family of six on my modest income, mortgage a house, pay my taxes, contribute to my retirement, take family vacations, live debt free....etc. without "assistance" because I learned whats its like to not have basics in life. Welfare taught me how to be a fiscal conservative. My issue with this "Obamaphone" rhetoric is that he has nothing to do with the program. Can ANYONE provide a link, or cite a credible source stating that Obama has made ANY changes to the program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 911 is accessible through nearly all old phones that are retired. A service contract is not required. Thats a broad assumption that everyone lives in a place that has hardwired phones. Why are there phone drives around collecting old outdated cell phones for the military? Why not give them to the needy with new phones going to the veterans? They do: National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Cell Phones for Life, Inc :: Ardmore, OK 73401 :: 580.226.5652 :: 1.800.585.5503 :: Together we can make a difference!! Where To Donate... According to the FCC website, the Lifeline program provides discounts on either wired or wireless service, but does not provide a phone. Lifeline: Affordable Telephone Service for Income-Eligible Consumers | FCC.gov Tell me why we needed to dismantle our public land line phones when they are/were well established around the country for a long time? They were a service to the public. Not sure what you mean? But I'd imagine outdated technology, cost of maintainace, and inefficiency has something to do with it. Besides, it is not a basic right to be provided a cell phone....period, no matter what president started it. I didn't know cell phones were available in 1984. See above. The program provides service discounts, not phones. According to this: Lifeline Program for Low-Income Consumers | FCC.gov Congress approved the following changes to the program in 2012: Changes to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse, saving up to $2 billion over 3 years Setting a savings target of $200 million for 2012, and putting the Commission in a position to adopt an appropriate budget for the program in early 2013 after review of a six-month report and one-year report on the effects of the Order. Creation of a National Lifeline Accountability Database to prevent multiple carriers from receiving support for the same subscriber. The database will build on FCC efforts in 2011 that eliminated nearly 270,000 duplicate subscriptions in 12 states following review of over 3.6 million subscriber records, saving $33 million. Creation of eligibility databases from governmental data sources, enabling fully automated verification of consumers’ initial and ongoing Lifeline eligibility. This would reduce the potential for fraud while cutting red tape for consumers and providers. A database based on the three most common federal benefit programs through which consumers qualify for Lifeline will be created no later than the end of 2013. Establishing a one-per-household rule applicable to all providers in the program, defining household as an “economic unit” so that separate low-income families living at the same address can get connected. Establishing clear goals and metrics to measure program performance and effectiveness. Phasing out support for services such as Toll Limitation – subsidies to carriers for blocking or restricting long-distance service—and ending Link Up – subsidies to carriers for initial connection charges. Link Up will continue in Tribal lands. Reducing burdens on carriers by establishing a uniform, interim flat rate of reimbursement, allowing carriers to obtain a subscriber’s signature electronically, and streamlining enrollment through uniform, nationwide eligibility criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Again, just to clarify: I'm not defending or supporting "Obamaphones", like most "welfare" programs it probably needs major reform, streamlining, and some sort of "accountability clause". I'm also not going to pretend to have all the answers, but when I see this sort of overinflated, dichotomous, deceitful rhetoric causing people to base thier opinion on emotion instead of fact....... I find it extremely troublesome. Simply labeling the Lifeline program "Obamaphone" is deceptive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'm going to have to work harder to clarify my point I guess. I'm not trying to justify any federal program, especially one that provides "assistance" to the needy. Like most Federal programs, the "welfare" system has inefficiencies, exploitation, and lack of accountability. However, its not a black and white world, things are not straight forward as many people would like them to be. There are indeed elderly and deserving needy that use these programs appropriatly. We live in a society, one might even say the US is the most diverse society in the world. Should'nt we have compassion for other people? Read the links I posted, this program was started in 1984 under Reagan, it was expanded to include Cell Phones in 1996 under Clinton. If this is true (Link?) than I agree, that seems excessive. I believe there are just as many people truly benefiting from these programs that there are taking advantage of them. I sure did, when I was a kid my Dad left us high and dry. If not for food stamps/rental assistance we would've gone hungry & lived in a car without a doubt. I currently support a family of six on my modest income, mortgage a house, pay my taxes, contribute to my retirement, take family vacations, live debt free....etc. without "assistance" because I learned whats its like to not have basics in life. Welfare taught me how to be a fiscal conservative. My issue with this "Obamaphone" rhetoric is that he has nothing to do with the program. Can ANYONE provide a link, or cite a credible source stating that Obama has made ANY changes to the program? I get your point without going to the link you provided. I never called it an "obamaphone", but it is quite clear there are more people who qualify for these type programs than there has ever been in the history of this country. There have been fees being attached to phone service for quite some time and to the best of my recollection here not too terribly long back question rose about the fees that carriers were charging being overcharged and supposedly consumers were supposed to be being credited back and we did see a credit on our bill for some time, but it was a fraction of what we paid in fees. Exactly when the universal line fee began I am not sure, but here it says 1997 http://www.consumer.att.com/connectivity_charge/, which was well after Reagan's time. You want links that prove the "free phones" give 250 minutes a month, here ya go Lifeline Phone Program Information | Assurance Wireless Lifeline Phone Bill Assistance - Safelink Wireless. Excessive, absolutely. What's more insulting yet is that we live paying our bills and with 4 kids we are cutting out a lot of things we would like to have and have made countless sacrifices over the years, but bills and necessities come first. I get these junkmail mailings with applications for this stuff, see the ads on tv, and they are running ads on the internet, pretty crummy really I cut out having a cell phone for myself but the carriers can add fees to my bill so someone else can have one. I don't mind helping others out who really need it, but would be nice to know you are really helping someone and not paying for someone to sit on their tail and cheat, which seems to be being more and more common these days. They say food stamp fraud is in the millions, cheats who should go to jail when they catch them. I hear so many stories about people selling their food stamp cards for 50 cents on the dollar, did you know they can go back and say they lost their card and they get a new one loaded with the full amount they get? Sickening! Sure some people need help and we have a poor economy, but this idea of redistribution that the liberals hold is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 According to the FCC website, the Lifeline program provides discounts on either wired or wireless service, but does not provide a phone. Ummm, well I provided you some links and they conflict with the links you gave from the fcc. At any rate, someone pays for the "free" service one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine Hntr Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Like wtn says, the moral of the story is that there are just far too many Americans and illegals taking advantage of all these different programs and the current administration is almost adding fuel to the fire rather than doing something about it and closing all of the loopholes. You being a hard working family man paying mortgages, taxes, school and what have you have earned that and shouldn't have to give monies to people sitting on their butts for months collecting and simply taking advantage of the systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Saw yesterday where welfare spending has gone over the trillion dollar a year mark under Obama. Was around 680 billion a year when he took office. Seems to me if things were headed in the right direction those numbers would not be what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Heard on the news this morning that welfare is now the #1 expenditure by the federal government. Now THAT's just messed up !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Heard on the news this morning that welfare is now the #1 expenditure by the federal government. Now THAT's just messed up !!! If that is true, its pretty disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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