The Bug House Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 You guys are hilarious, blind to facts, but hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Millions of years of random mutation & natural selection of what ?????? Selection of the fittest mutation. Ever hear the term "Survival of the fittest"? It has absolutely nothing to do with physical fitness. Human Ecology 101 folks...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Pretty self explanatory, I thought. Science being dealt with by man has the capacity to have errors and influenced by man. The "Theory" of evolution has NEVER been proven, and it never will. Just because it has never been disproven does not make it fact, by the rationale that it does if you truly believe that then how could you possibly rule out that God exists when His existence has never been disproven? Remember YOU said any theory not disproven must be fact. I'm sorry you can't see thing as they are.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Bill Nye 2016! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 So, mankind, millions of different kinds of vegetation , and living organisms just evolved into being buy survival if the fittest starting with space, or a rock or what? Just what was the origonal thing that eventually evolved into me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Bill Nye has no validity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 This sums it up for me: It takes faith to believe in God and it takes a ton of faith to believe in evolution. In reality, it takes faith to believe that there is no God. You can't prove it either way. If you truly study the Bible, you can see the beauty and wisdom of God's plan. If He were "provable", then it would require zero faith to believe in Him. No one would serve Him out of free choice. We'd all feel compelled to serve Him then. There would be no love or faith involved. It would be very hollow. We have a choice in where we place our faith. I choose God. I see many evidences of Him in the world and in my own personal life. None of those things could ever be used to prove God's existence to a non-believer, but they give me confidence and comfort for myself that my faith is in the right place. I'm not saying that I'm anything special -far from it. I'm just saying that my God is something special, and my faith in Him is what holds my life together. It gives me hope - hope that God is with me now and hope of an eternity with Him in Heaven. I realize it often makes no sense to folks that don't believe. The non-believers' views and faiths don't make any sense to me either. That's OK. Faith in God makes perfect sense to me, so I'll stick with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 This sums it up for me: It takes faith to believe in God and it takes a ton of faith to believe in evolution. In reality, it takes faith to believe that there is no God. You can't prove it either way. If you truly study the Bible, you can see the beauty and wisdom of God's plan. If He were "provable", then it would require zero faith to believe in Him. No one would serve Him out of free choice. We'd all feel compelled to serve Him then. There would be no love or faith involved. It would be very hollow. We have a choice in where we place our faith. I choose God. I see many evidences of Him in the world and in my own personal life. None of those things could ever be used to prove God's existence to a non-believer, but they give me confidence and comfort for myself that my faith is in the right place. I'm not saying that I'm anything special -far from it. I'm just saying that my God is something special, and my faith in Him is what holds my life together. It gives me hope - hope that God is with me now and hope of an eternity with Him in Heaven. I realize it often makes no sense to folks that don't believe. The non-believers' views and faiths don't make any sense to me either. That's OK. Faith in God makes perfect sense to me, so I'll stick with it. Very well said Corey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 This sums it up for me: It takes faith to believe in God and it takes a ton of faith to believe in evolution. In reality, it takes faith to believe that there is no God. You can't prove it either way. If you truly study the Bible, you can see the beauty and wisdom of God's plan. If He were "provable", then it would require zero faith to believe in Him. No one would serve Him out of free choice. We'd all feel compelled to serve Him then. There would be no love or faith involved. It would be very hollow. We have a choice in where we place our faith. I choose God. I see many evidences of Him in the world and in my own personal life. None of those things could ever be used to prove God's existence to a non-believer, but they give me confidence and comfort for myself that my faith is in the right place. I'm not saying that I'm anything special -far from it. I'm just saying that my God is something special, and my faith in Him is what holds my life together. It gives me hope - hope that God is with me now and hope of an eternity with Him in Heaven. I realize it often makes no sense to folks that don't believe. The non-believers' views and faiths don't make any sense to me either. That's OK. Faith in God makes perfect sense to me, so I'll stick with it. You know, switch around a few words and this is something that I may have said myself. While the specifics don't make sense to me, the fact that you have a certain level of peace and comfort brough to you by your faith makes perfect sense. I have a lot of repect for that, I hope I've at least made that clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Bill Nye has no validity I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 So, mankind, millions of different kinds of vegetation , and living organisms just evolved into being buy survival if the fittest starting with space, or a rock or what? Just what was the origonal thing that eventually evolved into me? Like I said before, I could present all the definitive evidence needed to prove my point, and I still wouldn't convince anyone. I'm not trying to change anyones belief, I don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The trouble is- if Im wrong, nothing is lost. If you bet your eternity on evolution and you are wrong........... Like I said before, I could present all the definitive evidence needed to prove my point, and I still wouldn't convince anyone. I'm not trying to change anyones belief, I don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Originally Posted by The Bug House Like I said before, I could present all the definitive evidence needed to prove my point" No you cant..the evidence does not exist..everything has a designer that was made I dont see anything about evolution here; [h=2]The Beginning[/h]1 In the beginnin God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day. 6 And God said, "Let there be an expans between the water to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning--the second day. 9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place and let dry groun appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds" And it was so 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good 13 And there was evening, and there was mornin--the third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as sign to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good 19 And there was evening, and there was mornin--the fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning--the fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kind livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground " 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food " And it was so. 31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day. Edited November 28, 2012 by Mathews XT Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Is it more important to...... Here's my problem with all that MXTMAN, and again, I'm not trying sway anyone and I post in a respectful manner. But when all your evidence, all your conclusions, all your reasoning, all your arguments and your entire viewpoint stems from one single, supposedly holy (supernatural) book, and contains little to no hard data.... I don't buy it. The world has the misfortune of having several of these books (Old Testament, New Testament, Koran, Veda) and there are millions just as devout to their chosen religion as you are to yours. The whole concept of an organized religion just doesn't compute in my brain, it doesn't work for me. Sticking within the original context of the thread, I don't conduct myself as if I'm going to be judged at the end, I think it just feels good to be a nice person. Edited November 28, 2012 by The Bug House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sticking within the original context of the thread, I don't conduct myself as if I'm going to be judged at the end. But you will be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missilelock Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Bug, Im not criticizing your beliefs here, but trying to get my head around your beliefs. Im wondering what your thoughts are on the Bible, as the most studied historical article ever published...... I mean, there have been more historical scholars validate the authenticity of the Bible than any other book on history. And what about the Jesus character in the Bible. Do you believe the man ever existed, or that he performed miracles here on earth as reported by so many many different people? Do you believe he had some supernatural power as a result of evolution, or just simply that the man never existed, and all the historians are wrong? Thanks for indulging me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Sticking within the original context of the thread, I don't conduct myself as if I'm going to be judged at the end. But you will be I also need to add..so will I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born4it Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Haven't been on the forums for a while, and I don't post a ton when I'm on, but this post has definitely caught my attention. As a believer in Christ, I love the way Dawg summed everything up. I'm right there as well. I've also always loved the idea Missle brought up. If I believe in God and have given my life to him, live my life in accordance with Biblical teaching to the best of my ability, and I'm wrong about God existing, nothing happens. If those who don't call Jesus their Lord and Savior are wrong and they die, they'll find themselves in quite a predicament. I don't base my faith on that idea alone, but it's definitely an objective way to think about it. What I'm very curious about after reading all of these posts is why you asked the original question, Bug. Though a bit antagonistic, you don't seem to me like a necessarily ill-intentioned person...You could be a pretty darn good guy with an honest question for all I know. You're aware though that this part of the forums is called "The Spiritual Camp," and you asked about fearing God. If you don't believe in God, you must not believe in the principle of fearing Him. I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me that there's a tiny part of you that's curious and possibly thinking there might be something there with this Jesus and "Christianity" thing. If that's the case, I gather there are definitely a handful of us on here who would absolutely love to tell you more about what we believe and why we're so passionate about it, possibly in a more conducive setting. I offer this because someone offered it to me, and I'm sure glad he did I know I came to the party late, so I apologize for jumping in at this point, but God works through people in unsuspecting situations...this just might be one of them, and wherever He is, that's what I want to be! To answer your original question, I'm on the boat with those who said they go hand-in-hand. Take care, Ryan [email protected] Edited November 29, 2012 by Born4it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I have this pinned on my refrigerator and think of this daily: "I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born4it Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I have this pinned on my refrigerator and think of this daily: "I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is." Perfect, Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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