Gator Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Heard on the news both yesterday and today that Walmart, Academy, Dicks sporting goods have pulled the AR platform off some if not all their store shelves. Cheaper Than Dirt has quit selling firearms on line. The major investor behind Bushmaster is selling their holdings in the company. When are people going to stop blaming the gun and blaming the person? The last time I checked, which was here very recently, a gun is an inanimate object, lying there is unable to do harm to anyone. Only when a person with bad intentions, in the case of some of the unfortunate accidental shootings, or when a person is defending themselves, does a gun harm someone. What I'd like to do is a study on what brand/type of vehicles are involved in more DUI deaths, lets pull those. Lets pull forks, spoons for causing obesity. The list could go on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Figured this discussion would start at some point. Real sad that the gungrabbers want to use such a tragic incident to further their agenda. Heard on the radio this morning about Dicks suspending their AR sales and that rifle sales in Connecticut were on hold. Had not heard about wal mart. What I'd like to do is a study on what brand/type of vehicles are involved in more DUI deaths, lets pull those. Lets pull forks, spoons for causing obesity. The list could go on and on. Why stop there, if you really wanted to ruffle some feathers on this topic a better yet scenario would be to cut out the alcoholic beverages most responsible for dui deaths. The liberals will never go there. Last week in China just prior to what happened here there was a mass murder and no firearms were involved. Heard that the whacko used a sword or knife and killed a number of children and several adults. So yeah, an evil monster like this has a will they will find a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ya while were at it..lets outlaw the jawbone of an a__; King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an ass have I slain a thousand men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I find it sucking that they have used these last two actually four very publicized incidents to labels every gun as a bad thing. Again I will say that each event has been extremely tragic and each is a despicable act of evil. With that said its odd to me that the initial report was there was an AR15 in the car but after so much media coverage it was determined he used it in the act? Now fellas we all saw the pics of the police carrying M4's. Don't you think they know the difference between a rifle and a hand gun considering they were carrying one. I refuse to go to dicks anymore. How about these investors bailing on fire arms? Sad. I hate how powerful the media is in this country. Its got way to much pull. I have an idea about these "assalut rifles" . It kinda sits in between what most people want. Most states require a concealed carry permit so why require a permit to purchase these style of weapons. Only sell them with ten round mags instead of thirty although those mags are.readily available with little trouble, and for all those anti gun folks out there talking about this issue no having a.gun with a thirty round magazine (not a clip) is not needed but then again northern is legalized marijuana when DUI'S are.still a very serious issue and kills more people than guns, also a car that is capable of 150+ miles per isn't need either. Its out there for purchase and that's why the are bought. Its simple really. Do you politicians need a salary that is equal to or more than 10 average families combined or health care that doesn't cost you a dime since us hard working tax.payers pick up that bill for you? I do believe congress, the president and all the elected officials have bigger things to worry about then gun control considering there is still no resolution to the ever present fiscall cliff. I'm not being insensitive to the tragedys just saying my peace and yes I feel for the families who lost there loved ones but I know of a few families personally who lost loves ones protecting our rights as Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Listen...with this guy as president we can expect more control over EVERY aspect of our lives. The media is milking this tragedy for all it is worth and they no longer reports the news. They make up stories to fit their agenda and spin things crazier than you can ever imagine. Funny how all of the limousine libs who have themselves surrounded with a phalanx of bodygurds and weapons deem your life/freedoms not important enough to be defended. Yes I read that Ceberus is looking to seel off its gun manufacturing business'. They own Bushmaster, Marlin, DPMS, Remington, H&R, Advanced Armament and a few other I believe. They are getting pressure from state pension funds that have money invested in Ceberus to get out of the gun business or they will remove their investments. Really? I guess they had no issues when Ceberus was making large profits and passing on those profits to the shareholders like state pension funds. If they are for real...They will give back the money the Freedom Group/Ceberus has made them. That will never happen in a million years. God Bless the families of this horrible tragedy. FBI uniform crime report from 2004. Less than 1/10 of 1% of military styled semi autos are used in crimes. Which is the data that congress used to let the 94 AWB expire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 What I'd like to do is a study on what brand/type of vehicles are involved in more DUI deaths, lets pull those. Lets pull forks, spoons for causing obesity. The list could go on and on. I wish everyone could read these words, it may sink in to some of the knuckle heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I heard something today about banning semi-auto rifles. That is pretty much all I used for most of my adult life. I had to sell most of my guns and this year I bought a lever action, hoping the fools wouldn't touch it. :no: I'm so pissed, I can't say any more. Being a long time moderator in here, I hope we all can keep some sort of cool about what is coming our way. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I heard something today about banning semi-auto rifles. That is pretty much all I used for most of my adult life. I had to sell most of my guns and this year I bought a lever action, hoping the fools wouldn't touch it. :no: I'm so pissed, I can't say any more. Being a long time moderator in here, I hope we all can keep some sort of cool about what is coming our way. too_pointer i've got a Remington 742 Woodsmaster in my closet. If they ban semi-auto centerfire rifles that'd fit the bill for them. it was my grandfather's and was solely manufactured and designed as a hunting rifle. i've killed bucks with it too, it just hasn't sat in the closet. I'd have a big problem with giving it up and sure i'm not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 The Pandora's Box is opening!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kat Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Come get my m4 if you dare, thats all I have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 School Shooting Fallout Any ban, just like the last one, will address sales and manufacturing. It's not like someone's coming to take your gun or high cap mags that you already own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Any ban, just like the last one, will address sales and manufacturing. It's not like someone's coming to take your gun or high cap mags that you already own. As if that should make us all breathe a sigh of relief. We can be sure whatever is coming will address one thing.............the liberals' agenda of inching toward a TOTAL ban on private firearms ownership. Whatever is coming will be billed as "common sense gun control measures" to assure us that if we don't agree then we don't have any common sense. Whatever is coming will very likely target private transfers between individuals and family members, ammunition sales and reloading supplies. Whatever is coming will address liberal feel-good symbolism over substance. Whatever is coming will do NOTHING to curb gun violence....................just like the Clinton ban. There are 20000-some gun control laws on the books. But liberals seem to think that "just one more" will make the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Wally world still had two bushmasters on the shelf here yesterday. I would grab one soon if I were in the market, also get your cc permit before lots more red tape is added. What happened in CT was an absolute tragedy, libs will want to act fast while there's public sentiment. But if you think any manufacturing ban or high cap magazine ban would have prevented this from happening you would be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 As if that should make us all breathe a sigh of relief. We can be sure whatever is coming will address one thing.............the liberals' agenda of inching toward a TOTAL ban on private firearms ownership. Whatever is coming will be billed as "common sense gun control measures" to assure us that if we don't agree then we don't have any common sense. Whatever is coming will very likely target private transfers between individuals and family members, ammunition sales and reloading supplies. Whatever is coming will address liberal feel-good symbolism over substance. Whatever is coming will do NOTHING to curb gun violence....................just like the Clinton ban. There are 20000-some gun control laws on the books. But liberals seem to think that "just one more" will make the difference. Could not agree more. Gun control does not stop or prevent violent crimes, only makes it tougher for law abiding citizens to buy guns and arm themselves. Why have ammo prices skyrocketed over the past 15-20 years, that box of corelokts you used to buy for less than $7 in the 90's is about $20 now, why? Liberals know that if you cannot get ammo then your guns are useless. Been hearing talk about expiring primers, anyone else heard anything about that? On a side note, wonder how many more "AR type" guns might walk to drug cartels? Wonder if this admin will ever admit their failures there and the deaths that they are responsibble for. Gonna guess if they get pressed on that they will want to change the subject, easier to point the finger elsewhere, Obama is quite talented at finger pointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotashRLS Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Valid point. The Democrats, Liberals and the media have taken away our voice to be outraged and to demand accountability. President Obama and A.G. Holder have a ton of blood on their hands over the disgusting Fast and Furious operation. They should be prosecuted!!!!! All in an attempt to manufacture gun chaos and point the finger at us. This is CRAP! Now this embarrassment named Hillary Clinton having a concussion and can't testify. WHAT A JOKE. They are doing the devils work. When is enough enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Any ban, just like the last one, will address sales and manufacturing. It's not like someone's coming to take your gun or high cap mags that you already own. i disagree, bug. the this present time, obama is trying to give our sovernty over the the united nations. that means troops from the u.n. will be at your door collecting guns within 20 years. the communists used to say that the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time. our gun rights will be overturned very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Get a load of this... Eric Holder is in Newtown,CT today. I wonder how many deaths he is responsible for with Fast and Furious? Not to mention border patrol agent Brian Terry's. So many Americans have their head in the sand...how sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Why all the fuss......we're all gonna die tomorrow anyway. They can ban all the AR's.....I couldn't care less, I don't own one, don't plan on owning one so the AWB2 that is being conjured up right now is of no worry to me. The first AWB was overturned once there was a semi level headed man in the oval office.....if the next presidential election goes like the past four have then we'll have another semi level headed man in the white house. I don't believe there will be a ban of all firearms....not in my lifetime anyway. The media will hype up whatever they can to get a reaction and ratings. Sadly there's a lot of people who give in to the hype and run out and empty the shelves of guns, ammo and survival supplies which in turn spikes the prices for the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 A story I read today was saying Walmarts were quickly selling almost all their whole firearm inventory in certain states. They also stated that they plan on continuing to sell firearms, the ( so called bad ones ) also. I read that on yahoo, and we know they only tell the truth. LOL. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 They can ban all the AR's.....I couldn't care less, I don't own one, don't plan on owning one so the AWB2 that is being conjured up right now is of no worry to me. You may find this quote from Pastor Martin Niemoller an eye opener................... I hope First they came for the communists , and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the socialists , and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists , and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the jews , and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the catholics , and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 It's not the gun, it's the person behind the gun...and if you look back to alot of these tragedys, the person pulling the trigger has some type of "mental health" issue....that's the real problem! The mother of the guy in the connecticut shooting had her guns registered liek you and I, the kid doing the shooting was the one with problems, not the guns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 You may find this quote from Pastor Martin Niemoller an eye opener................... I hope That's a great quote and I fully understand what it says and means.....but I don't think it will happen with our guns that way. I just don't.....or won't rather, give into the hype that is currently being pushed by the media and other "chicken little" people on the internet. Do I have concerns about gun control? Sure I do, I'm a gun owner, but from my research I don't see an all firearms ban like so many are believing. Too many people fail to weed thru the hoopla that the media throws out there. It's not the gun, it's the person behind the gun...and if you look back to alot of these tragedys, the person pulling the trigger has some type of "mental health" issue....that's the real problem! The mother of the guy in the connecticut shooting had her guns registered liek you and I, the kid doing the shooting was the one with problems, not the guns... Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) I belong to 2 clubs here, 1 has a range open to the public... and the yahoos that show up at that place with their .223 autos is frightening. I know of several people who've spent $1000+ on an AR and have never owned another firearm. Not to mention they couldn't hit the side of a barn at 50 yds. We'll spend a couple hours at the table and put 10 rounds through the gun, concentrating on accuracy. Some of these guys go through a hundred rounds in a few minutes just squeezing the trigger as fast as they can. And they all love to talk about home protection, yet non of them own a shotgun.... or have even put any thought into a plan other than buying the meanest gun they can find. More than once I've packed up and left because someone was handling the gun unsafely. It's for this reason that I'm all for a training requirement in order to own an automatic tactical rifle. Edited December 23, 2012 by The Bug House Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 ........ I'm all for a training requirement in order to own an automatic tactical rifle. It's nice in theory.................... so long as you trust the folks' judgment down in Washington D.C. to set the pass-fail parameters and cost to the citizen for said training. I'm SURE they'd do a bang-up job on that, just as they do on most everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) I wonder if my 6 plus years in the Army would qualify me as trained ... I don't know what the absolute answer to todays broken society, but I do know that more sensless laws aren't what we need. Edited December 23, 2012 by VermontHunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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