Ravin R10 man Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Have you noticed..the NRA did NOT jump on the HYSTYERIA bandwagon and let the family's mourn and bury the innocent vistoms in peace? PLEASE if you have not ..now would be a great time to become a member...NOBODY fights harder for your 2nd amendment rights like the NRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 this life member will be listening. and following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 NRA To Speak Today Grrrr. I didn't listen but just read about the speech. This is a Mitt Romney failure IMO. He attacked the wrong areas. Here's what he should have hit on: Illinois gun laws and the violence taking place in obamas home state. Those laws aren't working. Psychological needs. These are messed up individuals not receiving proper diagnosis and treatment prior to events. Unfortunately guns in schools won't slow this down IMO. It's just a big bulleye on the first guy to get killed. A .45 toting security guard doesn't stand a chance against the weapons these guys are bringing. Stricter penalties for crimes committed while using a weapon. The outcome shouldn't dictate the punishment. The threat is all the same. Punish accordingly and people might think twice. Rob someone and lose your drivers license for life. Fire a shot and 5 years per shot. Etc. National database that includes everyone, not just criminals and gun owners. How about requiring finger prints to vote? Focus on this it IS NOT law abiding gun owners committing 95% of these crimes. A ban on 30 round clips doesn't matter. Don't these people know how quick a clip can be changed? Your talking 1 second or less to drop and rerack. Yes mass media is to blame as well, but ignorance is to blame more. How can people who don't handle weapons regularly be put in charge on how to deal with them? It's pathetic that these politicians want gun control, yet they have mass armed security detail everywhere they speak. Fine you want gun control lets take the secret service away from the president and see how many public speaking engagements he has. What does everyone else think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
535hunter Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Agree with you Hoosier. Made great points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I agree whole heartedly with your statement. Problem is... the media has a big bone with lots of meat on it and they ain't stopping anytime soon. Rational folks will get it. Libs won't. I heard some of Wayne LaPierres statement on the news while driving. Then I switched over to conservative talk radio. What was left out of the televised/broadcasted speech was when LaPierre hit on the facts, they went to commercial. That meant no one could here the points he was making. They had the statement on delay and decided to air whatever they felt advanced their agenda or what they wanted you to hear. CBS news broadcast a screaming person at that news conference who was shouting all kinds of gun ban talk and blaming the NRA for these murders. They gave a person like that airtime and held back talking points from the publics ear. How is this allowed to happen?... and no one...I mean no one at all says anything? Keep this great country in yours prayers please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I watched the live feed via nranews.com which was commercial free. I think he did an outstanding job. His reciting was a bit awkward but what he said was spot on. Very well thought out plan. I disagree with a few of your points hoosier. I agree with the stricter punishment for crimes. We don't need a national database. Psych tests would help but how do you determine who will commit these crimes before hand? Demand that everyone who appears "crazy" to be tested? Not totally disagreeing with you there but that's going to be a tough process to implement. Where did you get the info that the security guards would only carry a .45? That's jumping to conclusions and doesn't hold much ground in your argument. These shootings at these schools happen in close quarters which would give the .45, that's in the hands of a well trained security professional, equal ground IMO. The school that my son attends doesn't have a security guard......would I rather leave it like it is or have a security professional there with a .45? The answer is pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Doesn't really matter what the guard is carrying. He's THERE. These people who are committing these atrocities are cowards. The guy who shot up the Batman movie in Colorado did not pick the biggest theater in town to kill the most people. He didn't pick the one closest to home. He picked the one that advertised itself a s a gun-free zone (read "killing field" for a madman). The dude who just shot up the mall in Oregon shot himself when he was confronted by a lawfully carrying citizen. Put armed security in our schools and these scum will look elsewhere to vent their insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierhunter Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 NRA To Speak Today The reason for the .45 being a sitting duck is because these guys catch them off guard and are in full body armor. Those ARs would eat a guy up before he ever got drawn. Remember these guys typically plan a great deal. The first priority would more than likely be to eliminate the guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 The hospital had CNN on in the waiting room, so I watched it until I had my MRI. First of all, why even respond? I thought the whole thing was pathetic. Who the heck screened the knuckleheads coming in there? Two idiots were able to slip through that I saw. LaPierre is a horrible speaker. I think the whole approach to these nutjobs is wrong. Unfortunately, I think you have to approach it from a security stance. Make the school impenetrable. Bullet proof glass at the main entrance, and bullet proof doors everywhere else that automatically lock from anywhere in the building. Pull one switch, bam, lockdown. In addition to that, I agree with Don. I qualified expert with the M1911, let me carry, and let a few others carry. That was one good point LaPierre made, why do we consider policeman's guns good, and citizen's guns bad? These cowards hit schools because they know it's unarmed. Arm a few of us and let's see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 The reason for the .45 being a sitting duck is because these guys catch them off guard and are in full body armor. Those ARs would eat a guy up before he ever got drawn. Remember these guys typically plan a great deal. The first priority would more than likely be to eliminate the guard. Remember that the people he mentioned in his speech to be placed in the schools would be professionally trained guards...policemen, retired servicemen....not some average Joe from the neighborhood down the street. These scumbags may plan a great deal but they don't hold a candle to a man that had been trained to the T in combat and emergency preparedness. Like Strut said, at least he'll be there which is far better than not having any sort protection/defense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Givan Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Why not two guards instead of one? Hard to eliminate both I dont think anything is going to completely eliminate the problem. I dont care what laws and how many of them you implement, bad people are still going to kill other people. The best we can do is try to minimize the chances, and the best way to do that in my opinion is to have good guys with guns to shoot the bad guys with guns. This would include more people with CCW and hired security at places like schools, malls, etc. Banning ARs wont help, and Im not sure that putting a whole bunch of people in mental homes is going to accomplish much. Im not sold on the idea that all these mass shooters are mentally ill, some people are just evil, and no medication or treatment can fix that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bug House Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 I watched it, and I thought it fell short. Waiting to make a statement was the right move, but to come out and suggest putting armed guards in schools only addresses a small portion of the problem and ignores several issues. I will say in the several days since the shooting, I've dropped my kindergartener off and there has been an armed plain clothed PO at the door..........very comforting to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 There ya go ....we need armed people in our school system...if you know you are going to be met with a firearm..you will have a hard time going in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 In addition to that, I agree with Don. I qualified expert with the M1911, let me carry, and let a few others carry. That was one good point LaPierre made, why do we consider policeman's guns good, and citizen's guns bad? These cowards hit schools because they know it's unarmed. Arm a few of us and let's see what happens. Yup. Gotta agree here. Think the plan TN is looking at discussing would have those armed being unknown to anyone other than the school system and law enforcement, would make it tough for the coward to plan when he has no clue who is carrying, they would likely look elsewhere to reign their terror. Also think schools security should be better, that said though there will always be places impossible to make totally secure. Playgrounds for elementary schools would have to be eliminated to create secure schools, don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevebeilgard Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 wayne is a poor speaker, but he did make some valid points and showed a very clear alternative to hiding in the closed. i'd love to see any teacher, willing and qualified, be able to have arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaskel Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Have you noticed..the NRA did NOT jump on the HYSTYERIA bandwagon and let the family's mourn and bury the innocent vistoms in peace?PLEASE if you have not ..now would be a great time to become a car dvd players member...NOBODY fights harder for your 2nd amendment rights like the NRA I have listened to the speak and nothing good was talked about. Hope good results comes next time Edited February 6, 2013 by Rhaskel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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