WaCoyote Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot Thank you carbon! I wasn't going to use it before and I'm definately not now. I'm perfectly happy with my only slightly dead lead shot birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot Truthfully, I don't really care what you guys use to kill your birds with. I've seen this "Anti-hevishot" talk on many forums now, and I get a kick out of all the negativity this shot gets. When you guys can get 316 pellets inside a 10" circle at 38 yards, let's talk. Other than that, this is my last post on the topic of hevishot. I know it works, and it works very well indeed!! Nuff said, so save your opinions on how well your "standard lead shot" shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot WOW i didnt know it took 316 pellets to kill a turkey!!! Of course it gets negitivity, everything does as it gets used.....thats what field testing is all about. Hevi shot has nothing to do with the patterns you are getting, it has everything to do with the load data, choke constriction work that Rhino/Nitro have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot 316 pellets???? Mine barely has 250 in the shell. And yes I do get 316 in a 10" circle with my lead load st 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot I am with you Maytom, I will continue to use Hevi Shot. The nickel additive in the Hevi Shot soup allow it to flow through the throat and the taper in the choke without damaging the barrel. The shotcups and wads that are being used today make the use of the stuff perfectly safe. If the stuff were cheaper, I would use the stuff for all of my shotgunning. [ QUOTE ] Hevi shot has nothing to do with the patterns you are getting, it has everything to do with the load data, choke constriction work that Rhino/Nitro have done. [/ QUOTE ] If that is true, why doesn't Nitro Company's lead loads or anyone's lead loads shoot as well? granted they have found some of the most optimum combinations, but it is still better than leads most optimum. As an engineer, I base decisions off of facts. I have seen facts on why to use the stuff, I have mostly seen opinions on why not to use the stuff. The only fact to not use the stuff is cost. Is it necessary? Nope. Hunters have been killing turkeys long before Hevi Shot. Is a rifle that shoots 1/2" groups necessary to shoot deer? Not usually, but it is more interesting and gives the shooter more confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot Outdoor Connection Inc., World Wild Turkey Still Target Championship JAKES Champion Chase Hope of Rock Hill, S.C. Gun: Remington 870 Choke tube: Pure Gold .570 Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle:14 Ladies Champion Julie Townsend of Lithia, Fla. Gun: Mossberg 500 Choke tube: Rhino 575T Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 15 12 Ga. Hunter Division Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Browning BPS Choke tube: Hastings .655 Shell: Winchester HV #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 21 12 Ga. Open Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Custom Savage Choke tube: Hastings .645 Shell: Winchester HV #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 17 20 Ga. Open Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Remington 870 Choke tube: Hastings .562 Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 16 Then how come hevi shot can't win in Compitition for 12ga?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot "HEVI-SHOT is a very hard shot created from tungsten alloy, nickel and iron. It has hardness nearly the same as most shotgun barrels." from Hodgman " The shotcups and wads that are being used today make the use of the stuff perfectly safe. If the stuff were cheaper, I would use the stuff for all of my shotgunning." that may be true of TODAY's loads, but not the earlier Hevi...so make shure your shooting the new loads. for Proof here is a little quote from Brownings web site Can I shoot Remington® HEVI-SHOT® in my Browning shotgun? A. It has previously been recommended that Remington® HEVI-SHOT® shotgun shells not be used in Browning shotguns, due to a problem with the wad used in the shells. These early model shells were produced with a clear or transparent hull and should be avoided. However, all currently manufactured HEVI-SHOT shotgun shells are acceptable to shoot in Browning shotguns. HEVI-SHOT should be considered the same as shooting steel shot when selecting a choke tube. All choke tubes approved for steel shot are acceptable to use with HEVI-SHOT. My only experiance with the stuff was when it first came out...2003?? they may have solved the problems today..maybe not. Makes you wonder when you have to use special wads to shoot the stuff, with an added buffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gfourhunter Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot if you guys want to spend all that money and fight with each other than im going to krogers to get my bird.LOL. who cares, shoot what you want. people im begining to wonder who is smarter. the turkey or people.at least they fight over something worth fighting about. CHILL OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot [ QUOTE ] if you guys want to spend all that money and fight with each other than im going to krogers to get my bird.LOL. who cares, shoot what you want. people im begining to wonder who is smarter. the turkey or people.at least they fight over something worth fighting about. [/ QUOTE ] you ever seen a Hen turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot Deffinately the turkey!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot [ QUOTE ] if you guys want to spend all that money and fight with each other than im going to krogers to get my bird.LOL. who cares, shoot what you want. people im begining to wonder who is smarter. the turkey or people.at least they fight over something worth fighting about. CHILL OUT [/ QUOTE ] These forums are for debates, advise, comments etc... as long as it stay civil, there's no probs. This one is so far still civil...a little off the topic...but civil. I have tried several different loads from several different chokes...Heavy shot has performed the best for me. May not be what performs the best for you...then don't buy it. This thread is sorta like the whole brand bashing...alot of folks chimming in on something they've never used. Now back to the orignal post about price of Heavy shot. With all the gear and gadgets we buy, the shells are prob. the cheapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Outdoor Connection Inc., World Wild Turkey Still Target Championship JAKES Champion Chase Hope of Rock Hill, S.C. Gun: Remington 870 Choke tube: Pure Gold .570 Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle:14 Ladies Champion Julie Townsend of Lithia, Fla. Gun: Mossberg 500 Choke tube: Rhino 575T Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 15 12 Ga. Hunter Division Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Browning BPS Choke tube: Hastings .655 Shell: Winchester HV #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 21 12 Ga. Open Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Custom Savage Choke tube: Hastings .645 Shell: Winchester HV #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 17 20 Ga. Open Champion Steve Conover of Jamestown, Ky. Gun: Remington 870 Choke tube: Hastings .562 Shell: Remington Heavy Shot #6 Total number of pellets inside 3 inch circle: 16 Then how come hevi shot can't win in Compitition for 12ga?? [/ QUOTE ] At what range were these targets shot? [/ QUOTE ] These Were the Results of the 2004 NWTF Turkey shoot which is about as big as it gets. 2004 Turkey Shoot Results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeviShot Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: Cost of Heavy Shot [ QUOTE ] that may be true of TODAY's loads, but not the earlier Hevi...so make shure your shooting the new loads. [/ QUOTE ] The same can be said of steel shot. But, once Remington started mass producing Hevi Shot loads, the problem was solved. [ QUOTE ] Can I shoot Remington® HEVI-SHOT® in my Browning shotgun? A. It has previously been recommended that Remington® HEVI-SHOT® shotgun shells not be used in Browning shotguns, due to a problem with the wad used in the shells. These early model shells were produced with a clear or transparent hull and should be avoided. However, all currently manufactured HEVI-SHOT shotgun shells are acceptable to shoot in Browning shotguns. HEVI-SHOT should be considered the same as shooting steel shot when selecting a choke tube. All choke tubes approved for steel shot are acceptable to use with HEVI-SHOT. [/ QUOTE ] So does this mean Remington shotguns are better than Browning shotguns? No, it does not. Why would Browning, which is owned by the same company that owns Winchester, recommend using a competitors product? If you can talk down something and possibly increase your sales, why not? But wait, Winchester has just released Xtended Range™ Hi-Density turkey loads. Dollars to donuts its ok to use in Winchester and Browning guns. [ QUOTE ] Makes you wonder when you have to use special wads to shoot the stuff, with an added buffer. [/ QUOTE ] Technology is increasing, special wads are being used in lead loads (Flitecontrol) and buffer has been added to lead loads for the past 20 years. Its not a new idea. I have been using the stuff since 2002. I have shot it in super full chokes and not had a streak, scratch, or bulge in my barrels caused by Hevi Shot. The tightest choke I shot it in was .640" in my Remington. Thats .085" constriction. The pattern sucked as it was over choked, but the gun was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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