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Bob...The NRA's response was from a littany of kids being used as props by king obama throughout his monarchy so far. He fits right in above with all of those dictators and criminals. Whats good for the goose...

Besides...my family was stripped of being able to protect ourselves and hunt with our LEGAL weapons of choice. I wish no harm on the royal children...but what makes them more special or worth more than my 3 sons?

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No worse than the NRA using the Obama kids in their ads.

Ummm dunno about that. From what I saw of the NRA ad it basically showed obama for the hipocrit he is and was spot on. obama would not be without secret service detail for himself or his children, he actually passed new legislation that made it so that presidents from now on would receive secret service for the remainder of their life when in the past that had been 10 years. Of course the secret service will not be being limited to the 10 rd limit and they will carry in gun free zones. What makes obamas children any more valuable than anyone else's.

Far as the kids obama used for his speech, he used them for his political agenda. Poor kids are not old enough to realize they were used as pawns.

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Ummm dunno about that. From what I saw of the NRA ad it basically showed obama for the hipocrit he is and was spot on. obama would not be without secret service detail for himself or his children, he actually passed new legislation that made it so that presidents from now on would receive secret service for the remainder of their life when in the past that had been 10 years. Of course the secret service will not be being limited to the 10 rd limit and they will carry in gun free zones. What makes obamas children any more valuable than anyone else's.

Far as the kids obama used for his speech, he used them for his political agenda. Poor kids are not old enough to realize they were used as pawns.

The NRA ad raises a very valid point. Unfortunately it does so with over the top, overly dramatic, emotionally sensational, scare tactics. In doing so, it just removes perceived validity.

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Does the 2nd REQUIRE citizens to own a firearm?

Well, this wouldn't have been too far off that mark .... :)

" Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the

U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun. Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second A mendment as not only the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as 'a clear mandate to do so'. He believes that universal gun ownership was

advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont ’s constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.

Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state. it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation. "

I believe this was in 2000 or 2001 .... I like the concept myself.

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did you ever notice that the "pro choice" folks almost always choose abortion. killing of an innocent child. and, that is just fine in their opinion. then, they almost always object to the killing of a convicted murderer or a rapist. maybe that's what "pro choice" means. death to the innocent and life to murderers. seems about right for the liberal mind.

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If you support a woman's right to make the choice to kill her unborn child then you are in fact pro abortion, by the very definition of the word "pro" or in favor of.

Even an atheist should be able to figure that one out bug! :rolleyes:

Boy, that's a stretch!

Ever see a child born with Trisomy 13? It's a real #%^*+. If I had the opportunity to prevent my child from being born into a life of agony I'd take it. That makes me pro choice.

China's 'one child policy' is pro abortion.

I feel trying to draw an analogy between abortion and gun victims is grasping at straws and frankly weakens the argument.

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If you support a woman's right to make the choice to kill her unborn child then you are in fact pro abortion, by the very definition of the word "pro" or in favor of.

Even an atheist should be able to figure that one out bug! :rolleyes:

Boy, that's a stretch!

Ever see a child born with Trisomy 13? It's a real #%^*+. If I had the opportunity to prevent my child from being born into a life of agony I'd take it. That makes me pro choice.

China's 'one child policy' is pro abortion.

I feel trying to draw an analogy between abortion and gun victims is grasping at straws and frankly weakens the argument.

I have no problem with the legal aborting such pregnancies. When our twins were checked prenatal for downs syndrome and also open spine (which may be what you are referring to) we had discussed we would have them with downs, but not the latter as there would not be any possibility of any quality of life at all. we have had ballot measures here in Mississippi such as the"personhood" amendment which declared life would be defined as beginning at conception. I have always stood against such measures because they are short sighted, leaving to many loop holes and questions, even though the measure looks great on signs and are fun for churches to rally behind lol. I'm a conservative, but I'm not closed minded. I believe the practice of abortion as a means of birth control though is wrong and akin to murder.

Just my two cents (but I'm right ;) )

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I believe the practice of abortion as a means of birth control though is wrong and akin to murder.

Just my two cents (but I'm right ;) )

+1. And that is the problem with pro choice too many use it as a convenience.

The unborn baby does not get to make a choice, what about their rights.

did you ever notice that the "pro choice" folks almost always choose abortion. killing of an innocent child. and, that is just fine in their opinion. then, they almost always object to the killing of a convicted murderer or a rapist. maybe that's what "pro choice" means. death to the innocent and life to murderers. seems about right for the liberal mind.

Dead on Steve. Cannot really grasp how those people think, but if it is their little one who gets hurt betting they likely change their view on capital punishment.

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