There is no ****

[newnature]

Paul’s usage of the Greek word for body is “soma.” “Soma” is not something external to a man himself, something he has, it is what he is. Indeed, “soma” is the nearest equivalent to our word personality. To believe in the resurrection of the “soma,” means to believe that my human self, the human being that “I” am, will be restored to life again. I will not be someone different from who I am now, but I will be exclusively myself. God has committed himself to preserving my individuality, personality, and character. The term body “soma” is simply a synonym for “person.” The goal of God’s redemption is not the destruction of his first creation, but its restoration to its original perfection. This is why the Scripture speaks of the resurrection of the body “soma” rather than of the creation of new beings. Both death and resurrection affect the total person “soma.” The resurrected persons “soma” will be the same individuals as those who existed previously on earth.

Being created in the image of God means that we must view ourselves as intrinsically valuable and richly invested with meaning, potentially and responsibilities. We are to be and to do on a finite scale, what God is and does on an infinite scale. By virtue of being created in the image of God, human beings are capable of reflecting his character in their own life; animals possess none of these qualities. What distinguishes people from animals is the fact that human nature inherently has godlike possibilities. Omniscience omnipotence, or omnipresence, none of these other divine attributes have been ascribed to man as part of the image of God. We have been created to reflect God in our thinking and actions, but the physical sustained by God and dependent upon him for our existence in this world and in the world to come. Developing a godly character in this present life, this will be our personal identity in the world to come. It is the character or personality that we have developed in this life, that God preserves in his memory.

Breath of life and the living soul; man’s soul is in his blood and indeed his blood is his soul. He is kept in being [alive] as a living soul by the inhalation of oxygen out of the air. Man’s soul depends on this intake of oxygen and the blood, but the cessation of breathing results in the death of the soul, because the blood, which is equated with the soul, no longer receives the oxygen that is so vital for life. Breathing is seen as a manifestation of the sustaining power of God. Man became a living soul does not mean that at creation his body was endowed with an immortal soul, a separate entity, distinct from the body. Rather, it means that as a result of the divine inbreathing of the “breath of life” into the lifeless body, man became a living, breathing being. The heart began to beat, the blood to circulate, the brain to think, and all the vital signs of life were activated. A living soul means a living being. Not through the implantation of an immaterial, immortal soul into his material, mortal body, but through the animating principle of life “breath of life” conferred on him by God himself.

In the Old Testament, the word “sheol” is the underground depository of the dead. There are no immaterial, immortal souls in sheol, simply because the soul does not survive the death of the body. Nowhere in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal ‘hell’ developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period. The condition of the dead in sheol, the realm of the dead, is one of unconsciousness, inactivity, a rest or sleep that will continue until they are resurrected. The prospect that one day a vast number of people will be consigned to the everlasting torment of **** is most disturbing. Traditionalists read “eternal punishment” as “eternal punishing.” When the adjective “aionios” meaning eternal or everlasting, is used in the Greek with nouns of action, it has reference to the result of the action, not the process. The wicked will not be passing through a process of punishment forever, but will be punished once and for all with eternal results. The destruction of the wicked is eternal “aionios,” not because the process of destruction continues forever, but because the results are permanent. “Eternal” often refers to the permanence of the result, rather than the continuation of a process. It is evident that the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah is eternal, not because of its duration, but because of its permanent results.

“And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23a). The fire to which Jude refers is obviously the same kind of fire that consumed Sodom and Gomorrah. It is evident that the fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah is eternal, not because of its duration, but because of its permanent results. It is important to note that the Greek word “aionios” literally means “lasting for an age.” Roman emperors being described as “aionios”; what is meant is that they held their office for life. Unfortunately, the English words “eternal” or “everlasting” do not accurately render the meaning of “aionios”, which literally means “age-lasting.” The notion of the eternal torment of the wicked can only be defended by accepting the Greek view of the immortality and indestructibility of the soul, a concept which is foreign to Scripture. Everlasting torture is intolerable from a moral point of view, because it pictures God acting like a bloodthirsty monster who maintains an everlasting Auschwitz for his enemies, whom he does not even allow to die. Consider the moral implications of the traditional view of ****, which depicts God as a cruel torturer who torments the wicked throughout all eternity. The thought of such a torment being deliberately inflicted by divine decree, is totally incompatible with the idea of God as infinite love.

Many Christians will be sorely disappointed to discover that their beliefs in the afterlife are a delusion. When this happens, it will cause personal crisis to Christians accustom to believing that at death their souls break loose from their bodies and continue to exist either in Heaven or in the torment of ****. Redemption is the restoration of the whole person, and not the salvation of the soul apart from the body. If at death the soul of the believer goes up immediately to Heaven to be with Jesus, one hardly can have any real sense of expectation for Jesus to come down to raise the dead believers that were in Jesus, and transform the living believers that are in Jesus. Traditionally, evangelical and other religious persuasions teach, that at the resurrection, their material bodies are reunited with their souls, thus intensifying the pleasure of Heaven or the pain of ****. Why are evangelicals so adamant in refusing to reconsider the Biblical teachings on the restoration of the whole person? To abandon souls being reunited with their bodies, also entails abandoning a whole cluster of doctrines resulting form it. The total impact of dividing humans into body and soul has promoted all sorts of false dichotomies in Scripture. To be an “Evangelical” means to uphold certain fundamental traditional doctrines without questioning. Any one who dares to question the Biblical validity of a traditional doctrine can become suspect as a “heretic.” It is impossible to estimate the far-reaching impact that the doctrine of unending hellfire has had throughout the centuries in justifying religious intolerance, torture, and the burning of “heretics.” The rationale is simple: If God is going to burn heretics in **** for all eternity, why shouldn’t the church burn them to death now?

[Ravin R10 man]

"One" can and will also burn in **** for not beleiving what the Bible says, I'll stand on Gods word not some off the wall idea as stated above.

[hoosierhunter]

There is no ****

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[Ravin R10 man]

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yup..it's also a False Gospel.."Woe to you who add or take away from this book"

[The Bug House]

When all the delusion dies, we are all only apes trying to survive in a world of money.

lol

[Ravin R10 man]

When all the delusion dies, we are all only apes trying to survive in a world of money.

lol

I was created in the image of God..I honestly do not think He was an Ape

[The Bug House]

I was created in the image of God..I honestly do not think He was an Ape

Yes, I meant it figuratively, not literally.

Although incredibly close from a genetic standpoint, we are not apes. But if you think about what I posted, it makes a ton of sense. Somehow, everything that should be important to us has fallen down the priority list. Not all of us, but as a whole the human animal has lost its way.

[The Bug House]

"When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that we cannot eat money."

Greatest bumper sticker I ever saw......lol!

[Ravin R10 man]

Yes, I meant it figuratively, not literally.

I figured that...

Thats good.."someone" does keep record of everything we say and do..

Yup I agree..man for the most part is chasing the wrong things in life to no avail, no wonder they have no hope

[h=4]Psalm 147:11[/h]the LORD delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love.

[newnature]

What the wicked will face is called the second death. Death, as we know it, would indeed be the end of our existence were it not for the fact of the resurrection. It is the resurrection that turns death into a temporary sleep. The second death differs from the first death, not in nature but in results. The first death is a temporary sleep because it is followed the the resurrection. The second death is permeant and irreversible extinction because there is no awakening. The second death is the death resulting from the final judgment which prevents evildoers from living in the new earth to come, a punishment that ultimately results in eternal, irreversible death. The stern punishment awaiting the enemies of righteousness, whose temporary resurrection results only in a return to death and its punishment, their full and final defeat. The wicked will be resurrected mortal in order to receive their punishment which will result in their ultimate annihilation.

[Missilelock]

New, I would like to knowwhere you get your definition of a second death as " eternal, irreversible death", and the scripture to back it up. My preception is being cast into the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his followers for eternity. Actually, the way you speak of a second death doesnt sound all that bad.....kind of like getting a little extra sleep rather than eternity in ****. Lane

Edited March 9, 2013 by Missilelock
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[Ravin R10 man]

Let's let the words of Jesus clear up this problem!

In John 3:1-12, Jesus gives us the answer.

"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no man can do these miracles that you do, except God be with him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be

born again,

(

second birth

) he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus said unto Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the

SECOND time

into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ("

Second" birth

is Spiritual)

That which is

born of the flesh

is flesh; and that which is

born of the Spirit

is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto you, You must be

born again

...(

Second birth

)

Nicodemus answered and said unto Him, How can these things be?

Jesus answered and said unto him,

Are you a MASTER of Israel, and you don't know these things?..."

(You mean even the most respected religious leaders of the day didn't understand this truth?)

Jesus is pointing out to Nicodemus that the

FIRST BIRTH is PHYSICAL,

but the

SECOND BIRTH

(being "born again")

is SPIRITUAL!

FIRST BIRTH = PHYSICAL

SECOND BIRTH = SPIRITUAL

It's the

SAME

with the

TWO

DEATHS

spoken of in the Bible!

FIRST DEATH = PHYSICALSECOND DEATH = SPIRITUAL

Now, go back and re-read the texts on the previous pages and

you will clearly see that the "Second Death" is the process of "DYING TO SIN" - "BURYING THE OLD MAN OF SIN", a Spiritual Death and NOT a physical death!

A "DEATH" that results in the formation of a "

NEW CREATURE in CHRIST!"

Now let's analyze the

"Second" Death

spoken of in Revelation.

Rev 2:11

He that overcometh shall not be hurt by the Second Death. (He that overcomes has already 'DIED" the Second Death - death to sin! Therefore, it cannot hurt him.)

Rev 20:5,6

The righteous "live and reign with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead do not live until the thousand years should be finished.) This is the first (former) resurrection.

Happy and holy is he who has a part in the first (former) resurrection! Over these the

Second Death

has no power (jurisdiction). See Rom 6:7 "For he that is DEAD is FREED from sin." That's why the Second Death has no power - because he already died to sin.

Rev 20:13-15

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and **** (hades = the unseen), delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (Hades = the unseen, where the "soul" goes when a person dies. It just ceases to be - it is in the "unseen.")

And (after the judgment) death and **** (hades = the unseen) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the

Second Death

. (Note: It is impossible to throw "death" and the "unseen" into a

literal

lake of fire!)

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8

But the cowardly and unbelieving and the abominable and murders, and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(Note that DEATH has already been "thrown into the lake of fire", and presumably abolished, BEFORE the wicked are thrown in. So how can the wicked now die - if death has been "destroyed"?)

Conclusion:

There is a

First Birth (physical)

and a

Second Birth (spiritual

- being BORN AGAIN!).

There is a

First Death (physical)

and a

Second Death (spiritual)

- which results in a "New creature in Christ."

The "flesh" cannot be "converted;" it must be "destroyed," disassembled, made new. The "Old man of Sin" must be buried. The carnal (fleshly) mind "is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are flesh can not please God."

0 8: 7,8

The "flesh" is "destroyed," but the person is not. After all, Jesus said He came "to DESTROY the WORKS of the DEVIL." (1 John 3:8)

We are the Works of Christ. He created us. We are NOT the works of the devil. Only the SIN in our lives is the work of the devil. It is the SIN ONLY that is permanently destroyed. Then we become "A NEW creature in Christ."

Jesus said: "Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW!!"

Edited March 9, 2013 by Mathews XT Man

[im your huckleberry]

Lucifer can exist in all, we must resist the presents of evil. There are two paths to take good or ev.il . Evil the way of**** , or Good the way of God and Jesus according to the Bible. "Watch ye as I stand firm in the Faith of God ." Which leads me to say " El Salem lijaime hikoum" this is Phonician, the Maronite Catholic priest says this every Sunday it means "May Peace Be With You".