Guest bowhunter56 Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 I work at bassPro in the archery dept. all i hear all day is "How fast does it shoot?" No one touches the bow holds them, just how fast is it. I talked to a fellow today, wants to hunt elk,.. wants to shoot @60#,,and fast. he's not worried about penetration, just speed, we tried to tell him penetration kills not speed. I don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I think most of the blame for the speed thing goes back to the bow manufacturers. Every Year when the new bows come out...they advertise these incredible speeds. What most people don't realize is the shooting 63pounds @ 28" isn't gonna get you close to these speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? That's just the way men(and some women) are. When we're talking about trucks, it's all about the power. When we're talking about bows, it's all about the speed. I know that speed isn't "all that" when it comes to bowhunting, BUT let some guy ask me how fast my bow shoots and I'll say, "275 fps with the wind at my back". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrrophybowhunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? Don't know!!!!!!! I worry about kinetic energy. That being said using a 400 gram arrow at 250 fps gives you enough to hunt ELK and other big game. Speed is not everything. Does it help? Yes, I personally only use one pin out to 30 yards due to a flat arrow trajectory People should focus more on placement!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAbowhunter4life Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I could not agree more bud. I am fortunate enough to have a very fast bow that I am deadly accurate with, and it still provides 70 lb. of kinetic energy. But given the chance, I'd take a slow accurate bow over a blazing speed bow that doesn't shoot for crap anyday. Too much pen*s envy involved in hunting, and everything else for that matter these days. My cars faster- Good, You'll get pulled over first My bows faster-- That's great, your arrow will make it over the deer's back before mine reaches it's vitals My grouping is tigther than yours-- Good, my deer's just as dead Who cares, just hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? just look at it this way if you didnt care about speed you wouldnt be able to figure all that kinetic energy and penetration stuff that many of you talk about... because lets face it speed is the main part of the formula for kinetic energy.. you know velocity X velocity x arrow weight , divided by 450,240 equals KE.. the real question here should be , whats the right SPEED for your setup and shooting form.... some guys are happy shooting 235 fps and kill many deer .. some guys cant shoot a hoot and shoot 300 fps.. but a few guys can shoot 300 fps and can make there shots.. this is where the speed thing comes into play... can you not say that all of us wished we could shoot 1 pin for everything 30 yds and under.. sure we all wish we could get that .. but with speed comes arrow tuning and broadhead flight and shooting form and a lot of practice... the main thing is to always remember the customer is almost always right.. if they want to see a bow that shoots 330 fps then sell them a speed bow... just try to explain that its not going to be very forgiving for the adverage shooter ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? [ QUOTE ] just look at it this way if you didnt care about speed you wouldnt be able to figure all that kinetic energy and penetration stuff that many of you talk about... because lets face it speed is the main part of the formula for kinetic energy.. you know velocity X velocity x arrow weight , divided by 450,240 equals KE.. [/ QUOTE ] That's why I like speed. I want my bow to be able to kill just about anything in North America. If everything is as expected, a new Switchback at 70 pounds and 28" draw length and a 400 grain arrow should shoot about 275 FPS, or about 68 foot-pounds of KE. Just what I'm looking for. Knowing that 50 foot-pounds can easily kill elk, caribou and moose, I'll be happy with 68-70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I think the advent of 3d shoots has emphasized the value of speed and people have just carried it over into their hunting. That may not be the only reason for interest in speed but it certainly is one of the contributing factors. For those who insist on taking long shots at game, the value of speed is obvious. It does erase some of the problems of slightly mis-judging distance. For me with my self imposed limit of 25 yards for deer hunting, speed doesn't even enter into the equation. I know that my 60# is more than enough to do the job on a deer at 25 yards, and that's all I have to know. So if somebody asks me how fast my arrows are going, all I can do is shrug my shoulders and say "fast enough". Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? Never understood it either. I'll take quiet over speed any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I've got to admit that I wasn't always unimpressed by speed. Early on, I was so heavy into target archery, that I had to have every new little advantage. Everyone in our little group of fanatics had to have the smoothest, fastest, quietest, jazziest looking, set-up going. Whenever I got a new tournament bow, the first thing I had to do was to strip the whole thing down into little pieces and re-paint it with the flashiest metallic flake paint I could dream up. That sort of thing was important to me and we always had a lot of fun customizing our equipment and trying out new gadgets and go-fasters. It was always a race to be the first with the latest technological gadget, or piece of equipment. So I am not totally unsympathetic to that line of thinking. Eventually, I got away from tournament shooting and started to look at my equipment in a bit of a more utilitarian way (cheaper too). That doesn't mean that I still don't appreciate someone who has great equipment. I still remember those days and they were great fun. So if someone wants to go all out to have whatever they consider to be the best in their mind, I'm all for it. If speed is your thing......go for it. Whatever keeps up your enthusiasm going is a good thing! Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I'll have to agree with you all!!!! I never even wondered how fast my old bow shot because I knew it was slow and loud. I would get passthroughs but also had alot of deer jump my string ending up with a few misses and 2 bad shot placements which ended up killing both and were recovered. I read in a magazine, I think Bowhunter, that at 280fps, a deer at 30yrds can move 8"s before the arrow gets there, as far as I remember. I'm shooting a 385 grain arrow at 285fps at 70 lbs and I am able to hit dead on out to 50 yrds, granted I may never shoot at a deer that far but I am confident that I can efectivly kill a deer at that range. I wouldn't shoot past 30yards with my old bow, it had to much arch after 30 yards. Thats why I love my new SB. It has all the speed that I could want and still is as quit as other bows with slower speeds and and less draw wieght. That"s what all the new bows are all about, they combine speed, quiteness, and accuracy. Without speed there is no energy the less speed you have with any arrow the less energy it will have. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. Well I'm done rambling. Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washi Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? My brother is shooting a 540grain arrow (with tip) and can still use one pin out to 30 yards without holding over. It's quiet, fast, accurate, and has more than enough kinetic energy. I guess he's got the perfect setup for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? [ QUOTE ] My brother is shooting a 540grain arrow (with tip) and can still use one pin out to 30 yards without holding over. It's quiet, fast, accurate, and has more than enough kinetic energy. I guess he's got the perfect setup for him. [/ QUOTE ] What bow is he shooting? draw weight?..length? Just curious. has he had it chrono'd? That one heavy arrow... lots of KE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washi Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? 2003 Bowtech Extreme VFT with Winners Choice string, 70 pounds, 29" draw using 2219 aluminum arrows. I was surprised when he first shot it. Now I think I should have bought an Extreme instead of my MIghty Might but I can't complain, I like my bow. Oh he's never had it chronoed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDNKHNTR77 Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? a lot of the hunters i grew up around would always tell me how speed is important when u buy a new bow. the bow that preceded my bow now only shot like 220 and i was dead nuts accurate. i am not quite as consistent with the new, fast one but i am getting better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimPic Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I hunt with a recurve so obviously,speed isn't a high priority with me.As a matter of fact-with the speed I'm shooting(180fps) and a 620gr arrow,KE isn't even much of an issue(about 45ft.lbs) or anything worth concerning myself with.I hand sharpen my broadheads-2 bl. cut-on-contact shaving sharp and have every confidence that I'll get a pass-thru on most of the big game animals on this continent out to 25yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? Not sure! I know I wanted something that felt good in my hands. I knew that the max would be 60 pounds, carbon arrows, but speed was not a concern. I guess if I wanted speed I knew I would need something like a 70 pound bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? thats not really true LifeNRA.. i have shot my competition bow a Hoyt Protec at 60 lbs max draw weight and i got 290 fps with 3-28 easton Accs.... also with todays new bows its very possible to get good speed at low draw weights.. i shoot a Hoyt Ultratec on 63 lbs and it shoots 293 fps... with a 317.5gr arrow.. now last year i shot a 375 grain Goldtip with broadheads at 297 fps at 67 lbs.. but i backed it down to 63 and it still shot at 268... which is pretty respectable for a hunting arrow... just find the right bow and arrow combination at you can achieve speeds that are pretty fast at low poundage... now im not a speed nut , i just like to get the most out of my bow that shoots the best for me.. since i do shoot a lot i feel that if i can shoot a bow at 295 fps and get very good accuracy and arrow flight then im going for it.. otherwise it turn it down to what is forgiving for me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTechHunter Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I'm with Doc, I have no idea how fast I shoot, but I know I can kill a deer at atleast 25 yards and that is all that matters to me...but thats just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kracey Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? I agree, I concentrate more on accuracy than speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Re: What is this thing with arrow speed? Ok, I guess I should have just said speed is not one of my concerns! LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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