BigTen Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 i have been hunting a private farm in western pensylvania for the last ten years and have had great success hunting the property for mature whitetails.about four years ago i got my good friend permission from the land owner to also enjoy the big bucks and have fun spending time with a good friend. Last season was a little aquard the first morning in the dark next to the truck where he introduced me to his good friend and said he had permission to also hunt the farm and asked if i would walk him to one of my stands on the way to my spot in the morning before light.i was reluctent but walked him to one of my stands i love to hunt and i think it was a mistake. the guy has taken over my stand and wont hunt anyother place on the farm. i miss hunting that stand but everytime i go there he is there. So this year i took a different aproach and told my buddy that i was taking the stand down and puting a new one in that spot because i was going to hunt the area this year. he asked me not to saying his buddy would fix my old rusty ladder stand but i said no and took the stand down.His friend went to the farm and complained to the landowner who had my back on the deal.also my buddy has been taking to many doe ive seen a huge decline in deer on the farm in the last two years the land owner is not happy now saying there are to many people there and my buddy is there everyday after work. does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle this without losing my friend and a great spot to hunt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Welcome to the forums. The new guy should have been understanding about your stand and your good friend should also have been understanding. I would say the buddy of your buddy(new guy) has to go and you need to have a good talk with your buddy about his overkilling does and let him know he is going to screw it up with the landowner and potentially get them kicked off the farm all together. Probably has potential to blow up, might be better to have a straight up talk with your buddy before that happens. May even have to get the landowner involved if you cannot work it out between you. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Your "buddy" had no right to invite another guy in, but that happens often. Get it under control or you too will be out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Hello and Welcome to the forums. I agree with Will about having a serious talk with your buddy, he has got to respect the fact that you got HIM permission to hunt. It doesn't sound like you have a written agreement with the land owner and I would suggest that you get this with his stipulations of what he expects on his land. That way the ball is out of your court, since you were the first to have rights to hunting his land. Now, the other guy (newer guy) needs to get off his keister and find his own area to hunt and not milk someone else's stand. That in my eyes in just plain out lazy and disrespectful, he needs to realize that he was given a chance to hunt your stand out of sheer kindness under the circumstances of last year and its not a permanent situation. First and foremost, I would get it writing from the land owner, number of hunters allowed, number of Does that can be taken in a season-he can do this since its his land and out ways state regulations. I hunted 4,000 acres for 7 years and could only take Does off this property per land owner requirements, he was managing the property for his family and I respected he demands. Good luck to you and keep us posted on the outcome. I'm afraid if it gets to bad and complicated the land owner might just not allow any hunting all, for any of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I agree pretty much with what's already been said. Good luck and keep us posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 having respect for fellow bow hunters and land owners Be careful with signed documents. Some land owners are cool with a laid back - can I hunt your land approach but may back off if asked to sign papers when money isn't involved. I agree with above, get it resolved or you all may lose the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudu88 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 having respect for fellow bow hunters and land owners I agree with what has been said and would add that getting something I'm writing is the way to go but I also agree that some land owners feel like they are losing control of their own property when papers get involved. This happened to myself and some friends of mine with property that we lease in Wisconsin. The old farmer liked having us up there (plus the money of course) but when we tried to get a multiple year deal from him he wasn't so keen on the idea. So we all agreed that a handshake deal and year by year basis was the way to go. In your situation I think the best way for you to go is to tell both your friend and his buddy that since the land owner is unhappy with the amount of deer harvested and since you had the original deal they need to find another place to go. Yes feelings will be hurt and friendships might be lost but if he really is a close friend you've known for years then eventually he will understand and get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) I feel your pain. Had the same thing happen in our camp. An invited member decided to invite his boss. Had lots of hard feelings and I lost a friend. But he was out of line. However you choose to do this, your friendship with your pal is going to be damaged. You will need to step up and be the bad guy, even though you are in the right. You need to take the high ground and get control of this situation. Before you have a heart to heart with your buddy, you need to inform the landowner about what is going on. Take the lead on this and get his support because technically you cannot kick someone off the land without something that says you are acting as an agent for the owner. At least that is the way it works here in my state. Once you having backing of the landowner in writing then you can go about fixing the problem. From what I've read, YOU got permission from the landowner for one other person to hunt the land, not two. Tell your buddy that the other guys has to go or you will have to kick both of them off. I would do this if your relationship with your landowner was good. Sit down with him, be totally honest. Tell him that you screwed up and you want to fix it back to the way it was in the beginning. Nobody hunting but you. If your buddy was a true friend, he would never have done this to you. Edited September 24, 2013 by RangerClay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'm thinking you seriously need to re-evaluate this "friendship". It has nothing to do with you being selfish over a stupid deer, it could have just as well been over anything else. He had no right to invite another person without consulting you, the other guy dang sure had no right to assume he could hunt your stand, much less take it over. The guy sounds like he's no friend at all, may wanna kick him to the curb, I know that sounds harsh, but crap that stuff there is common sense! It would be like on of you guys inviting me to hunt and I just show up with a complete stranger and ask you to put him in your stand for the year, what the crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 It would be like on of you guys inviting me to hunt and I just show up with a complete stranger and ask you to put him in your stand for the year, what the crap? Funny how that works. A guy invites or allows someone and before he knows it he has no clue who all is coming and going on his own land. Seen it happen here. One neighbor up the road does not know who all hunts his land. I let a couple guys waterfowl hunt on us a few years back, they brought 2 other guys with them a couple times when they came out, but they did ask when they came out if it was ok. I would probably let them come back because they did ask, but I would not let the other guys on our property without them, and had they not asked in the first place I would not let any of them back. It is a matter of respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrown Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I agree with everything that's already been said too. Taking people hunting and leaving gates open are from I've been told are DEAL busters for keeping permission to hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted September 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 thank you for the great advice. i called the land owner this morning and we had a long talk i also just met with my buddy and we also talked. the bottom line is the land owner told me that no one other than myself has permission to hunt his property and also told me to let the other two hunters know and i did just that. they have until sat to remove there stands and they are not welcome back. my friend does not understand what he did wrong and says i was trying to hunt the place alone due to trail cam pics of two real big bucks on the land. i let him know they were my trail cams and i did the home work and that the pics had nothing to due with him losing permossion to hunt. i told him he over stepped his bounderies and was disrespectful not only to me but the land owner also at the end of our conversation he had the nerve to ask if he could hunt my land up north.. i just think some people will never get it!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 i just think some people will never get it!!!!!! Unfortunately, no they won't. You did the right thing though since the landowner was not happy with the situation. If your buddy does not understand he may not really be all that great a friend. Would pretty selfish of him to expect you to not follow the landowners wishes. Again, welcome to the forums. Good luck this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGaHuntingandOutdoors Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I hunt on my buddy's family property, I can't even bring my brother in law to hunt. I understand why. I asked once was told no, left it alone. My buddy has had friends he grew up with ask to come, he won't let them. It's a trust issue that many folks in South Ga have trampled on. There are farmers that have hog problems, that won't let you help take care of them because of others breaking the property owner's rules in the past. A few bad apples have spoiled it for those of us that follow the rules. That kind of crap really irks me to no end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 One more comment on this thread now that you have resolved it. If you get one of those giants you have on trail camera keep it to yourself. I made the mistake once of actually providing pictures of a 171 inch deer I took on a farmers land. When i called the next year the farmer said I couldn't hunt anymore. Pretty sure it was because of his family that saw the deer and decided I had to go because the farmer doesn't hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) like you are supposed to do the legwork so he can hunt your land...clearly SOME PEOPLE DO NOT "GET IT" Even my Son in law hangs his own sets Edited September 25, 2013 by Mathews XT Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WStreblo Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 having respect for fellow bow hunters and land owners Welcome to the forums, To be honest with you I'd be so ticked off in that situation. It seems to me that your buddy doesn't respect you enough to at least ask you first before inviting his buddy to join y'all. Secondly this other guy needs to put forth the effort to find his own area and hang his own stand. I could see if he asked to hunt in your stand occasionally but all the time? C'mon man... That's just flat out absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 thank you for the great advice. i called the land owner this morning and we had a long talk i also just met with my buddy and we also talked. the bottom line is the land owner told me that no one other than myself has permission to hunt his property and also told me to let the other two hunters know and i did just that. they have until sat to remove there stands and they are not welcome back. my friend does not understand what he did wrong and says i was trying to hunt the place alone due to trail cam pics of two real big bucks on the land. i let him know they were my trail cams and i did the home work and that the pics had nothing to due with him losing permossion to hunt. i told him he over stepped his bounderies and was disrespectful not only to me but the land owner also at the end of our conversation he had the nerve to ask if he could hunt my land up north.. i just think some people will never get it!!!!!! I'm glad for you that it got worked out and the you did get the land owner involved in it. Stinks that your friend is being negative about it but he will eventually have his light turn on. If not, it is his own selfishness and disrespect that got him into the position he is in. He should have just enjoyed to comradery between friends and a great hunting spot. Good luck to you this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 at the end of our conversation he had the nerve to ask if he could hunt my land up north.. i just think some people will never get it!!!!!! LOL! Some people have really big brass hardware to ask questions like that. I'm really glad that you shared the outcome of your situation, thank you. Now... if it were me, I would make preparations for possible sabotage. A few years back I kicked off a tresspasser and he has been sabotaging my stands to cause me harm. I would turn your cameras towards YOUR stands till you know they are gone for good. Also have a camera on your car while in the stand for at least the rest of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Just throw in your old lady and the dog too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 Just throw in your old lady and the dog too! NO! NOT THE DOG!!! :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WStreblo Posted September 26, 2013 Report Share Posted September 26, 2013 having respect for fellow bow hunters and land owners I had a chunk of ground that I got permission to hunt after a farmer tossed a hunting crew off of it for driving in his fields. Once they found I was hunting it they tried to run me out of there by whatever means necessary. They'd sneak into the woods and blast air horns, keyed my truck, cut my tires, pulled my stands down, you name it. After talking to the farmer I invested in no trespassing signs and put em out, contacted the game warden and the following season on opening day he nailed them for trespassing, destruction of private property, theft, and hunting without permission. What made it even better was as he was writing the tickets for em I dragged a really nice buck up to my truck with all of them standing there puckered up and red hot mad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 NO! NOT THE DOG!!! :no: LMBO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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