birdhunter39 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I thought this was pretty , So i decided to share it instead of keeping it ALL to myself www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Flying-Camera-From-Animal-Rights-Group-Shot-Down-at-Pigeon-Shoot-Cops-179983451.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Private club having legal shoots. Animal rights group is breaking the law, how ironic that they would call the cops. Pretty sure a property owner owns so much of the airspace immediately above their property, that group is technically trespassing and their drones need destroyed i would do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 +1 BANG! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 The private club was conducting a legal pigeon shoot on their property so in my mind the animal rights group was harassing them...not the 1st time they were either. They admitted it was the 4th time they've done it. Seems like the private club out to press charges against the animal rights group for harassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yep should be hunter harassment laws. Club should press charges. Figure the drones are no good for eating but would make great target practice...... Puuul, bam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 First off I am against the anti hunters and yes I think that they were harassing the hunt club BUT have you seen these pigeon shoots???? to me its just not right.....I am a hunter I don't make birds jump out of a box 20 or 30 yards away from me so I can shoot it with my shotgun....just not my kind of thing I guess....what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdhunter39 Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Muff , I want to make sure i read and understand this , A pigeon shoot is like comparing it to a European pheasant hunt where they release the birds , These pigeons are not Free roaming birds that happen to pass the shooter by chance , that is crazy , I use to hunt wild pigeons on a farm and eat them . I have shoot both pen raised as well as wild pheasants . But i prefer to hunt the wild pheasant . compared to shooting pen raised pheasants . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 If you go to youtube and look up the group that calls them selves SHARK you will see some of the shoots they try to stop.....again I don't like Anties but I cant say I like to see birds shot like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 whats not to like about a dead pidgeon? one of the most useless dirty birds around, I doubt they are penned raised just for this purpose, could be wrong...but there are so many wild birds in towns, if you can call those wild.../ feedmills/ grain elevators..live trap them to use for the event. I shoot at pidgeons often off the silos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 hey don't get me wrong I shoot them all the time also around the farm.....all I said was I didn't think that what I saw on some of those videos was not what I call hunting or very sporting.....but again that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Dunno Joe. Don't guess i would shoot a pigeon walking out of a box either. If they take off and fly however guess it could somewhat of a challenge. Still not for me but guess it could be more challenging than shooting clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm still waiting on someone to let a one fifty class whitetail out of a box for me, I think it's the only way I'm gonna get a chance to shot one. I don't see where the shark folks have a leg to stand on. Looks like trespassing charges are in order. This could be a precedent case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Interesting to say the least. I will say this, if a drone was to enter my hunting area repeatedly, you can bet I'm going to do everything in my power to bring down your very expensive toy. I was once invited to one of the clubs here for a Pheasant shoot, when I got there that morning for the hunt I saw 15-20 big wooden crates scattered about in a large field, I asked what they were and was told they were full of Pheasants and that's what we were going to be hunting. I again asked how so ?? , and was told that they would open the crates and force the birds out in which they would become fair game. Needless to say that weren't for me so me and my shotgun bowed out of that so called hunt. I saw no difference in that than going to a deer farm and shooting a deer of your choice in a pen. Again just my opinion and my choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkneck Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 There's a quail ranch not too far from here. They take you out and even have dogs to point for you. The quail are in a little spring loaded launcher and the guide uses a remote control to throw them up since pen raised birds don't like to fly like wild ones. I suppose if you want the experience of a real quail hunt it comes close, but I'm with Luke, not really my cup of tea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 At least the activity going on was called a "shoot" and not hunting. Any activity where you are shooting pen raised animals is not hunting in my opinion. If they are raising the birds for slaughter and they are using them as food and it is a legal way to kill them, all is well, but if they are just killing them for fun, that I have an issue with. No matter what one's personal feeling towards a certain species is, there still should be a respect for life. As for shooting the drone, that was probably not legal. Hunter harassment laws would not come in to play as there was no hunting. Trespassing? In no state, that I am aware of, do you own the air above your property or the ground underneath, unless you own the mineral rites. Invasion of privacy maybe, but then that should have been taken care of in a court of law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Don't know for sure Dave, but i did talk with an attorney about 15 years ago when we had some issues with crop dusters. My understanding then was you owned the airspace to 500 ft above your private property. I know that a call to the faa after my conversation with the attorney put an end to our issues. I am also to understand that our federal government in 2013 was looking at making changes to that with their use of drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 William, the idea of owning the airspace above your property went away with the invention of the airplane. Depending on building codes or zoning laws you may use the airspace above your property for any reasonable use in the enjoyment of your property. The Supreme Court decided that any navigable airspace to be public domain. The FAA controls all airspace over the US and in rural areas stipulated that aircraft had to stay 500 feet from people or buildings, unless in a landing zone. I am not sure what drones are considered or if they are still under scrutiny, but I think there is an ongoing debate about their use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultradog Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Pigeons and chipmunks are God's answer to our need for moving targets. Drones are just a new twist to an old theme - skeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 There was a remote controlled helicopter with a camera shot down here, it was flying over a local mink ranch, they think that it was an animal rights group controlling it so they shot it down. No one has claimed it lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Did a little research on this after reading Dave's reply. There was a supreme court ruling in 1946 that involved a chicken ranch and some military planes. Court then ruled that an individual did not own the airspace above their property to the heavens as was once the rule, some Latin terminology. The court said a private property owner has rights to a reasonable limit above their property with which they can do as they wish. I have not been able to find any defined limits. FAA regulates all air travel and evidently drones are a topic of regulation changes that are to go in effect in 2015. No clue what those regs say, but you got to know there will be contention if drones are said to be ok to be used by private citizens to invade the privacy of others. What will be the reasonable limits? That said, I am not going to post here telling anyone it is ok, but i know what i would do if I was repeatedly harassed by antis while i was trying to enjoy my time on property i own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Some discussion also about wildlife officers use of drones to catch poachers. Sounds like a great tool for them, good topic for discussion. That in mind would be in a persons best interest that if they have a drone buzz them while hunting to check with their warden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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