ParrotHead Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge [ QUOTE ] Here's how I feel about this issue. While I am a hunter and a democrat and therefore am stereotyped into an ultra-liberal environmental lobby, I feel that something needs to be done in order to 1) Lower oil and gas prices and our dependence on foreign oil and 2) I feel that this drilling could be done with minimal damage to the surrounding ecosystem and all efforts should be made to protect the surrounding wildlife. [/ QUOTE ] Something needs to be done to lower oil prices – nuke China and the worlds oil shortage is pretty much up….ok, that’s not a possibility today but given the fact that China is amassing an Army that rivals most armies (even ours) and you can see some possibilities down the road. Course, they may just nuke us and all this is a moot point. How about the development of alternative fuels? We won’t see one barrel of oil from Alaska for about 10 years. I’m pretty sure if Detroit wasn’t spending millions lining the pockets in Washington we could see alternative fuel automobiles in half that time. Factor in the average life of an American made automobile we could probably re-cycle all the fossil fuel auto’s in about 10 to 15 years. But face it, oil is a HUGH business and until something else comes along to take it’s place, we’re not going to see any progress or resolution to this problem. Honestly I think all this is pure BS on the part of the Senate. Smoke and mirrors trying to send a message to our friends in the desert that we’re looking somewhere else which always results in price drops. Problem here is the timeline – you and I’ll be paying out the **** for years while the US and OPEC are comparing notes...yeah, that it...comparing notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge [ QUOTE ] How about the development of alternative fuels? We won’t see one barrel of oil from Alaska for about 10 years. I’m pretty sure if Detroit wasn’t spending millions lining the pockets in Washington we could see alternative fuel automobiles in half that time. Factor in the average life of an American made automobile we could probably re-cycle all the fossil fuel auto’s in about 10 to 15 years. But face it, oil is a HUGH business and until something else comes along to take it’s place, we’re not going to see any progress or resolution to this problem. Honestly I think all this is pure BS on the part of the Senate. Smoke and mirrors trying to send a message to our friends in the desert that we’re looking somewhere else which always results in price drops. Problem here is the timeline – you and I’ll be paying out the **** for years while the US and OPEC are comparing notes...yeah, that it...comparing notes [/ QUOTE ] I'm Speechless That is one of the best peices of writing I've ever read and the last comment may cause me too piss my pants I'm laughing so hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge [ QUOTE ] Horst that was a ship that ran aground, just so happens it was in Alaska. Do you realize how many ships are out there full of oil, and that this could happen at any given time? Think of all the oil that we import, how does it get to us from wherever it is coming from? [/ QUOTE ] Gator, I know what it was, and I also remember reading that the people of Alaska were assured that an oil spill couldnt happen at the time they started sending oil tankers through their shipping lanes.That was my whole point, theyve said before oil wouldnt cause any enviromental damage to Alaska, but you can still find it on the beach there from 20 years ago.Now they wanna start drilling in one of the few areas of the country that hasnt been touched by industry and thier assuring us once again nothings gonna happen. By the time they pump the first barrel of oil outta that refuge gas prices are gonna be so ridiculously high its not gonna matter much if we are producing 1/10 of the oil this country uses.IMO its time and money being wasted that could be put to better use looking into other fuel sources.Theyve been making highly flammable moonshine in this country for hundreds of years, how hard could it be to run a car off of it?We used to run trains and boats off of steam power, hot waters plentifull.I was reading something about hydrogen power just yesterday.This countries totally dependant on the one thing we cant produce enough of, at some point instead of trying to band aid the situation were gonna have to start looking in another direction anyway for a renewable fuel source.I just think its rather silly to give this 10 years to get off the ground and then find out its not helping all that much anyway when the technologies there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge WHere does the oil go that is now pumped out of Prudhoe Bay? Where was the Valdez headed with that oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10acboy Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge Drill in Alaska or watch oil prices go into a range that none of us can afford......??? My gosh, people don't raise this much he!! because of urban sprawl or when miles and miles of new road is put in to easy traffic. $34 to fill up my truck today and I was on 3/8 of a tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge [ QUOTE ] Gator, I know what it was, and I also remember reading that the people of Alaska were assured that an oil spill couldnt happen at the time they started sending oil tankers through their shipping lanes. [/ QUOTE ] And the spill probably wouldn't have happened if there wasn't an incompetent drunk for a captain at the helm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge My best friend is a hydrogeologist. The way he tells me is that there will be little or no damage to the environment. Todays new technology allows for minimal intrusion. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge been there. seen it. hunted there before it was a park. this place is 19 million acres. oil pumping will disturbe 2,000 acres. work the percentages. estimates say it will produce 1mm barrels per day for 30 years, just with what we know. do you know the park is 200 miles wide, and is all primitave? that means, just to get to the middle of the park, you'd have to walk (no motorized anything like planes, 4 wheelers, etc) 100 miles. point is, no one is using it, cept a very few hardy souls. as for the animals not liking it, doens't that sound familiar. in 1970, some of the same talking heads were telling us that the pipeline to valdez would kill the caribou and ruin their migration patterns. just the opposite happened, as the porcupine herd and others has multiplied greatly. this is a good thing, people. but wait. am i really agreeing with sluggo? be still, my heart. we better get back to bush.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest trakker Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge That's what i would like to know will we benefit from this? And how much of the oil from the pipeline do we get now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Drilling in Alaska Refuge speaking of barrels, opec has us over one. we need to be more self sufficient. the persian gulf countries are not our friends. remember, the muslim kouran clearly states that muslims must kill infidels. and infidels are any non muslim, you wicked infidels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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