Bruce Schmeck Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Recently Philadelphia (city of brotherly love) [Where have all the Quakers gone?]has been inundated with a rash of murders and senseless shootings. So what is the wonderful mayor's (John Street) proposal? Yes, you quessed it, disarm law abiding citizens by taking their concealed carry permits. What a moron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy Once again we have a government that has potentally turned law-abiding citizens into criminals and all the while we sit around on our butts and do nothing about it. Here’s an idea – get together a million gun owner march – show up in Philadelphia and remove this slug from his office! Replace him with someone that has a little common sense and the backbone to enforce the law and not create laws against the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy That is Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy. Wake up and smell the coffee eh Not only is the government turning law-abiding citizens into criminals (just like in Canada) but the government is turning law abiding citizens into targets and easy pickins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Need for what? Kissing the butts that want to take away our guns. Because these dems think, if we outlaw guns we will all be safe! This is typical dems at work here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] uh......that was exactly Bruce's point....NO NEED FOR THAT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bronco_mudder Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy For the love of firearms, do something about it, you don't want to be in the situation that we Canadians are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] No need for what???Do you think taking law abiding citizens weapons permits away is gonna lower the crime rate in that city?You really need to wake up, criminals dont apply for concealed weapons permits, this kinda crap only affects one group of people and its people who have broken no laws.Meantime the crimninals have all still got thier guns and the law abiding citizens are sitting at home with nothing to defend themselves with.I dont understand the logic behind your guys thinking at all so would you be so kind as to explain to me how this is not a kneejerk reaction and how it is going to lower the crime rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IADEERDUDE Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy hey ..lets take all the law abiding citizens guns away that way when the criminals come to rob their store or home they have nothing to defend themselves with, cause we all know criminals dont need permits..come on lets get real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] hey LifeNRA i apolize for what i did and said. I just want to have clean debates. I sent you a PM. Hope you read it??? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I did! Apology accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] Not only is the government turning law-abiding citizens into criminals (just like in Canada) but the government is turning law abiding citizens into targets and easy pickins. [/ QUOTE ] Could not have said it any better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] LifeNRA i dont want to be an emeny to you. We will always disagree. I will never have a problem with that. lets just keep it clean!! [/ QUOTE ] Keep it clean??? Nothing was even dirty except the dem word! Most democrats want to remove guns from me and everybody who hunts with them! This is a fact! With the likes of Kennedy, Shumer, Kerry, Fienstien, Clintons, McCarthy, and every other GUN GRABBING DEMOCRAT! THEY ALL HAVE ONE AGENDA!!! TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF LAW ABIDING PEOPLE, AND NOT TO ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT CURRENTLY STAND ON THE BOOKS! This is what your party stands for! For years my parents were democrats but about 25 years ago they seen what kind of idiots they became! They then switched parties. These ULTA-LEFTWING radicals think, that if all guns were outlawed, that we will be better off! GIVE ME A BREAK PLEASE!!! Even that bonehead kerry knew he needed the hunters vote, but I kind of like to think he didn't get it! One minute he is in congress(when he managed to show up!) trying to ban guns, the next he is in a field somewhere doing a photo shoot to please hunters! BBS you never have a leg to stand on, you threaten me in a PM. Maybe this is not the place for you. Maybe one day these laws will prevent you from ever hunting again! Then, and only then you will open your eyes and see what I and every other hunter was talking about. You cant say, "They will never take away our guns!", just asked the hunters in Canada what its like, or in England, ask our England Hunter Rich! He will tell you the traditions that were lost in the past few years! Traditions that will never be brought back! Here is another one for you! Did you know that there are other nations throwing tons of money in the hands of your democratic politicians to help remove our guns? Nations like Japan, Germany, and many others! Because they cant control their gun problems either, so they all think if they can get the USA to have TOTAL gun bans, it will solve their problems too! They blame us for their problems!!! There is a real GIVE ME A BREAK TOO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] BBS you never have a leg to stand on [/ QUOTE ] He never does. I respect anyones opinion as that whether I agree or not, but bigbuck has yet to bring any good debate to this forum making it tough to even see where exactly he stands other than being a "big democrat" and being against anything that President Bush is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] I know some people in my party are aginest taking away gun shows. Like in banquets, etc [/ QUOTE ] No BBS!!! I am not talking about gun shows! I never said anything about gun shows! I am talking about the guns you use for HUNTING!!! They want them for good, yes gun shows they want to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy A terrorist with a gun is certainly not a good thing, but I'm actually much more worried about a terrorist with a CBNR weapon. THAT'S what we really need to be on guard against! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy BBS, once again your spouting off without anything to back up your claim. [ QUOTE ] Just so you know that America is a candy store for terrorist to by guns! [/ QUOTE ] And you appear to be agrreeing based on party lines without knowing anything about the issues your talking about.So im having a hard time believing this [ QUOTE ] i am not for that!! You cant always agree with your party! If you do i dont have time for you! [/ QUOTE ] Ive asked once for you to show me any evidence that infringing on law abiding citezens right to own guns will do anything to lower the crime rate anywhere?Look at Washington, toughest gun laws in the USA, also known as the murder capitol.Show me where taking law abding citezens rights away there did anything but raise the violent crime rate.Im not really affiliated with any political party so I generally listen to both sides with a pretty open mind.But so far youve said absolutely nothing usefull in any post ive read that youve responded to.Get some facts or else quit making such idiotic statements as this [ QUOTE ] Just so you know that America is a candy store for terrorist to by guns! [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy I am done with this! Its like talking to a wall! Sorry BBS, but you spin too much, this should be a NO SPIN ZONE like Bill O'Reilly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] I am done with this! Its like talking to a wall! Sorry BBS, but you spin too much, this should be a NO SPIN ZONE like Bill O'Reilly! [/ QUOTE ] Why do you think I refused to respond to his nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I am still trying to figure this out? No need for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] Look at Washington, toughest gun laws in the USA, also known as the murder capitol. [/ QUOTE ] What about New York City, as far as I know it is also illegal to own a firearm in NYC and permits are very tough to get, you have to show a need for a CCW. Crime has dropped there, especially since the 80's. I know for sure that handguns are illegal in Chicago city limits, not sure about long guns, they have a high crime rate, a murder a day I think. Granted, the 3 cities mentioned has vastly different populations. But a lot of crime stats have to do with how the laws are enforced. (ie.- police presence) and conviction rates. Crime in NYC went down when Rudy Guiliani layed the smack down on crime by increasing police numbers and funding and going after tough parts of town and seedy places. Not because half the city was toting a Glock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Look at Washington, toughest gun laws in the USA, also known as the murder capitol. [/ QUOTE ] What about New York City, as far as I know it is also illegal to own a firearm in NYC and permits are very tough to get, you have to show a need for a CCW. Crime has dropped there, especially since the 80's. I know for sure that handguns are illegal in Chicago city limits, not sure about long guns, they have a high crime rate, a murder a day I think. Granted, the 3 cities mentioned has vastly different populations. But a lot of crime stats have to do with how the laws are enforced. (ie.- police presence) and conviction rates. Crime in NYC went down when Rudy Guiliani layed the smack down on crime by increasing police numbers and funding and going after tough parts of town and seedy places. Not because half the city was toting a Glock. [/ QUOTE ] Sluggo, Im actually agreeing with you on this.NYC crime dropped because Guiliani went after the criminals.Not because they banned guns from the city. Of the 3 citys you mentioned I believe, {and I could be wrong but Im not gonna look it up this early in the day}D.C. and Chicago have the tougher gun laws and the higher crime rates.NYC on the other hand went after the criminals instead of spending all thier energy on disarmng law abiding citicens and dropped the crime rate considerably in the last 20 years. Taking away peoples CCW permits, banning guns, things like in the name of crime prevention, doesnt work.It might look good on paper, the public might buy it, and it might make the politicians who pass these kinds of laws look good, but in reality it has little or no effect on criminals.Even you can see a pattern here cant you??Now apparently Phillys doing the same thing, passing anti gun legislation to combat a problem thats not about guns, while the criminals are still walking around free. im gonna get off topic for a minute but did you see that CBS news deal the other night where they were interviewing that gun runner who was shipping .50 calibers to Kosovo or some place?He admittedly shiped guns illegaly outta the country which is clearly against the existing laws.So why was he sitting there being interviewed by 60 minutes instead of sitting in prison somewhere?He admitted to it in front of millions of people and went home after the show.Meantime people are going nuts trying have .50 caliber rifles banned.Whats wrong with that picture?IMO by placing the focus on the guns its doing the criminals a great favor, while the cops are busy working on who has what gun they dont have a permit for the criminals can walk around doing whatever they want.I gotta agree with whoever started this post, its idiocy at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I am still trying to figure this out? No need for what? [/ QUOTE ] John, I think he meant the truth. (Just some more liberal kneejerk idiocy to me.) I suppose its easier to admonish me than to engage in some sort of meaningful dialog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT Bruce Schemeck!!! COME ON!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] I am still trying to figure this out? No need for what? [/ QUOTE ] John, I think he meant the truth. (Just some more liberal kneejerk idiocy to me.) I suppose its easier to admonish me than to engage in some sort of meaningful dialog. [/ QUOTE ] Either asking about quakers, or calling the philly mayor a moron. Anything other than that and I have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Typical liberal kneejerk idiocy taking away guns is the only play in the liberal playbook. they know it has never worked anywhere in the world. they know it's a precurser to ALL communist takeovers (socialist, marksist, leninist, you just name the "ist"). look what it's done in england, australia, new zealand over the past 10 years. and yes, canada too. horrible failures, compounded by more regulations. on the other hand, every male in sweeden over the age of 18, is in the military automatically. he's trained in arms, and must keep his weapon in his personal home. just a co-incidene that the crime rate is the lowest in the world? or, do all the wrongdoers know that every home is armed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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