Guest Andrea Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Did you also read that her "husband" has collected on a $1 million malpractice suit against the hospital? And if her parents want to pay for it, so what? They want full responsibility. They want the husband to go AWAY! Why are people so intent on killing this woman? Why not just put a bullet thru her head then? But starve to death???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death .1 million dollars divided by 15 years of medical bills, how much you suppose is left?Near as I can tell the parents are living in a fantasy world where if the husband goes away thier daughters gonna be ok.If it was you husband would you walk away because his parents offered to foot the bill?Im pretty sure I wouldnt be able to walk away and act like it never happened but thats just me.Both sides just want whats best for her, near as I can tell one sides just being realistic and the others still banking on a miracal thats not coming.a bullet would be the more humane route, Im not arguing that.unfourtanately in this day and age its politicaly correct that you have to suffer a long agonizing death when a quick painless one would be the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Agree with Horst and like I said earlier, it's time to let go. I am sure from a parents perspective, the hardest thing to deal with is a loss of a child...I do not know but I can only imagine. But it has been 15 years and they are waiting on something that I do not think will arrive. It is also the parents responsibilty to do what is best for the child though too. Would you want your child to suffer for 15 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10acboy Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Hasn't she been in this same condition for 14 or 15 years and now the parents are yelling about therapy may help? What have they done in the last 14 - 15 years? What about the husband who has held on to hope for so long? This may sound mean, but I am sure that her husband is attempting to move on with his life. When is enough enough? She didn't have a living will so we don't really know what she wants from her family. I have read that she is brain dead and so removing the feeding tube and it's after effects would not be painful. I couldn't sit and look at my son in that state for 15 years, but I couldn't also watch them wither away after I removed his feeding tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] Agree with Horst and like I said earlier, it's time to let go. I am sure from a parents perspective, the hardest thing to deal with is a loss of a child...I do not know but I can only imagine. But it has been 15 years and they are waiting on something that I do not think will arrive. It is also the parents responsibilty to do what is best for the child though too. Would you want your child to suffer for 15 years? [/ QUOTE ] No I would not want my child to suffer. So starving them to death is not an option for me either. I guess I would cling to some hope that a cure would be found or the therapy that she was DENIED that WAS HELPING her would be reinstated. You guys are still ignoring the fact that she WAS regaining her old self thru rehab up until her husband had it discontinued!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death I heard a report from one of her doctors. He said that the cerebrum was almost gone do to the lack of oxygen. He said most of it had been replaced by spinal fluid and there was literally no thought going on in her head. What makes this woman a person is long gone. While I don't side with either group, I can say this. There is no way I would burden my family with keeping alive an empty shell. Even if being in a vegitave state was not so bad, it wouldn't compare with the reward of being my saviour after the plug or tube was pulled. It would be well worth any pain (percieved or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] You guys are still ignoring the fact that she WAS regaining her old self thru rehab up until her husband had it discontinued!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Your ignoring the fact that the only source you quoted for this is Bill O'rielly.Your ignoring the fact that you cant rehabilitate brain damage.Your ignoring the fact that a neurologist on her side said all rehabitiltation had done was make it possible for her to swallow a few spoonfulls of pudding once in awhile.O riellys spin on that might have made it sound lke she was eating but she wasnt.Your ignoring the fact that without the neccassary brain activity she cant recover from this.They can keep her body healthy maybe but thats not a recovery.Your ignoring the fact that medical care costs money.Your ignoring the fact that her husbands lived with this for 15 yrears just like her parents have.The only thing Ive seen Id agree with you on is starving to death is an inhumane way to go.But your ignoring the fact that its the only legal way possible for her to die at this point.Your ignoring the fact that thousands of people in just slightly worse shape than her are taken off life support and allowed to die every year without the court intervention or the media circus.Funny thing is legally this coulda all been stopped 15 years ago.If the family had refused to let the feeding tube be put in to start with none of this woulda been an issue.They cant force you to keep a family member alive by artificial means.If the courts decide that pulling the tubes an illegal act thats gonna set a dangerous precedent for other cases like this.Its gonna take the power to decide lfe and death away from the family and put it in the governments hands.Thats a bad deal anyway you look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea Since I started it I guess I should weigh in again. First - This business of her being in that condition for 14 or 15 years. Just this past year we had a woman awaken from a 20 year coma and she's been showing steady progress ever since. Second - On her physical condition. She does have brain damage, but she's certainly not brain dead. She communicates only on a very rudimentary basis and has only limited motor skills, but all of her vital body functions work normally. Its arguable that except for the communications, she's actually in better condition that Christopher Reeve (who required a respriator to breath) was in. But I don't seem to recall anyone calling for the doctors to pull the plug on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea [ QUOTE ] Since I started it I guess I should weigh in again. First - This business of her being in that condition for 14 or 15 years. Just this past year we had a woman awaken from a 20 year coma and she's been showing steady progress ever since. Second - On her physical condition. She does have brain damage, but she's certainly not brain dead. She communicates only on a very rudimentary basis and has only limited motor skills, but all of her vital body functions work normally. Its arguable that except for the communications, she's actually in better condition that Christopher Reeve (who required a respriator to breath) was in. But I don't seem to recall anyone calling for the doctors to pull the plug on him. [/ QUOTE ] THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea horst, please don't think that I am trying to p@#$% you or anyone else off here. I just have a real hard time understanding why it's such a horrible thing for this girl's parents to take care of her for the rest of her days. They are willing to incur any expense. They want full responsibility. The husband can give them that power and get on with his life. Whatever happens will be God's will no matter what you or I say anyway. And no matter what happens...it's obvious what the lesson here is: get your wishes in writing, before it's too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death I agree with hunting girl, and even if she wasn't better now, at least she was give a loving chance, which so far, from what I've heard, seen and read, she has not had. [ QUOTE ] How long you suppose she would stay alive eating only a few spoonfulls of pudding? [/ QUOTE ] How long would a new-born baby stay alive if someone didn't feed it?? or how about a new-born severely retarded baby ?? [ QUOTE ] She cant walk, talk, move her arms or legs, she cant eat, [/ QUOTE ] She has also been denied therapy by her husband, that could have improved all of these functions. [ QUOTE ] How productive of life could she be leading right now? [/ QUOTE ] It's pretty easy for a healthy person to say what Quality of life means to them. I sure would like to hear it from the disabled. Who says you have to be a productive human being to be worthy of Life ?? [ QUOTE ] very expensive,How long could you afford to pay for it? [/ QUOTE ] Expence should not be an issue, when discussing whether someone should live or die IMHO. And in this case her husband could have put that money he had into theropy for his wife, that he supposedly loves, rather than putting it into lawyers trying to kill her. I'm having a really hard time swallowing this pill. If you had an old tired horse, or dog or what-ever and instead of putting it to sleep you decided to starve it to death, you'd go to jail for animal cruelty. I haven't heard anyone suggest putting her down, and do you know why....because that would be concidered murder. By starving her and thirsting her to death, they justify it by saying it's letting nature take it's course. When I look at the pictures of her on TV, I see life in her eyes. If we keep allowing people to kill people out of convenience and keep redefining the meaning of life, love and happiness, it won't be long before you are going to be allowed to put down your parents, instead of putting them in a home and it won't be long before you'll be able to chose to get rid of your mentally handicapped child at birth, for your convenience. Sorry for using your quotes Horst, it's just that they are good ones that many are using to defend the other side. JMHO. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death To tell you the truth, I am getting sick of seeing and hearing it on the TV and everywhere else. That is a family issue, not a world issue. What people will go through these days to try to get their point across The husband is sick of seeing her suffer and the parents want to see her suffer longer. Thats the story, plain and simple. Everyone is hoping for a miraicle(sp) that only happens to a few individuals in that stage but are willing to let someone suffer longer just so they can get sympathy from the world while using that poor lady as a camera set. COMMENTS ON THE POST FROM POPGUN UNDERNEATH I really don't care whats in it for her husband, I really don't care who he has on the side while all this is going on, my thing is when do we say enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea Terri Schiavo I have tried to read everything I can get my hands on about this case before putting in my 2 cents. I still don’t have an opinion. I know that I would not like to be in her situation, nor her parents. I did not take notes while I was doing all this reading but know that I should have. Terri Schiavo was first admitted to the hospital from complications of an eating disorder. Her potassium level was in such imbalance that her heart stopped. Other reports say that Terri had several healed fractures and head trama, and could have been a victum of abuse. The hospital bills and hospice care bills along with any rehab associated bills are being paid by the original hospital. Other reports say that all the money was awarded in the lawsuit and has been spent in her care. The original hospital was found negligent in misdiagnosis and is to pay someone over 1 million dollars upon Terri’s death. Michael Schiavo has not had his life on hold the last fifteen years. He has a girlfriend and three children with his girlfriend. If he divorces Terri he will get nothing. If he could get the million without waiting for Terri to die, he may let the parents have their way. If the money was taken out of the picture altogether, the parents may have their way. The parents do not want to let go, and the view the situation as suicide, which I understand is a real no-no with Catholics. A man in Arkansas awoke from a 19 year coma in 2002, still thinking it was 1984, still thinking Reagan was President, and knew his grandmother’s phone number, which had been forgotten by all the family members since her death shortly after his accident. He is still a paraplegic. There are people in comas all over the world and families holding on with nothing more than Hope. There are also people waking from comas. I don’t think the government should get involved, but…………. Too complicated; I think I will count my blessings. …..popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea THis is not a coma, or something you recover from. Her brain is permanantly damaged and can not regenerate. At most(and according to every professional she is not even this aware) she is unable to control her body, communicate, or do anything but stare blankly. Imagine being in that state for 15 years...heck i couldn't stand it for an hour. Now add to that the fact that according to all the neurologists who have treated her say she is jsut a body with hardly any reflex action, and no cognitive ability. Comparing this case to someone who is in a coma but who's brain is intact and can function if they wake up is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Lets see, hunting girl, youre not pissing anyone off, its just a debate and theres not any of it in our hands no matter what any of us would do.other than that Im about done with this conversation.You guys keep talking about therapy.Most of her brains shutdown.Therapy doesnt fix brain damage, plain and simple.People can be retaught things, but thier body has to be able to respond to the brain for that to work.If the brains not working the body functions dont work.Buckee in a perfect world money shouldnt be the deciding factor in weather someone lives or dies.But you and I know both know in the real world it doesnt work that way.If you have nuerologists telling you shes in a permanant vegatative state how far do you go with it?Her husbands probably the only one excepting the reality of the situation.Popgun, according to the website which Terris family and friends have up in support of her, the million dollars is gone except for about 50,000 of it.And from what I could tell the husband didnt just blow it, he had to have permission from a judge for every penny of it he spent.Theres not much left to fight over according to them so I dont think moneys much of a motivating factor here. The great part about this case though is you can go around and dig up sources to back up just about anything you say.Theres so many conflicting opinions circulating on this that nobody knows whats fact or fiction anymore.Actually thats not so great, its kinda sad but its the truth.Im just basing my opinion on what the majority of the sources say her condition actually is.Others want to base there opinions on the minimal chance shes ever going to be better than she is now.Others seem to to think life is preferable to anything, I personally dont agree with that.But Im not gonna argue about weatherthis lady should live or die anymore, theres enough of that going on and if you think about it, its kinda sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] Lets see, hunting girl, youre not pissing anyone off, its just a debate and theres not any of it in our hands no matter what any of us would do.other than that Im about done with this conversation.You guys keep talking about therapy.Most of her brains shutdown.Therapy doesnt fix brain damage, plain and simple.People can be retaught things, but thier body has to be able to respond to the brain for that to work.If the brains not working the body functions dont work.Buckee in a perfect world money shouldnt be the deciding factor in weather someone lives or dies.But you and I know both know in the real world it doesnt work that way.If you have nuerologists telling you shes in a permanant vegatative state how far do you go with it?Her husbands probably the only one excepting the reality of the situation.Popgun, according to the website which Terris family and friends have up in support of her, the million dollars is gone except for about 50,000 of it.And from what I could tell the husband didnt just blow it, he had to have permission from a judge for every penny of it he spent.Theres not much left to fight over according to them so I dont think moneys much of a motivating factor here. The great part about this case though is you can go around and dig up sources to back up just about anything you say.Theres so many conflicting opinions circulating on this that nobody knows whats fact or fiction anymore.Actually thats not so great, its kinda sad but its the truth.Im just basing my opinion on what the majority of the sources say her condition actually is.Others want to base there opinions on the minimal chance shes ever going to be better than she is now.Others seem to to think life is preferable to anything, I personally dont agree with that.But Im not gonna argue about weatherthis lady should live or die anymore, theres enough of that going on and if you think about it, its kinda sick. [/ QUOTE ] Well said, with that let me say again [ QUOTE ] To tell you the truth, I am getting sick of seeing and hearing it on the TV and everywhere else. That is a family issue, not a world issue. What people will go through these days to try to get their point across The husband is sick of seeing her suffer and the parents want to see her suffer longer. Thats the story, plain and simple. Everyone is hoping for a miraicle(sp) that only happens to a few individuals in that stage but are willing to let someone suffer longer just so they can get sympathy from the world while using that poor lady as a camera set. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death This is something that we have discussed alot while we are at work and with family and friends.One thing everybody seems to agree on is to be prepared with a living will. For my opinion on this see horst and TSBH views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death The husband is already living with a new women, i think. He could just go on with his life, turn her over toher parents, and let them take care of her. Because guess what, when she dies he gets her money, or life insurance. So why do you think he wants the feeding tube removed!!! I agree with Buckee on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Having just dealt with the death of my fiance's father, which most likely could have been prevented if things that were supposed to have been done by the doctors and an Army hospital had been done, he had cancer but went in remission and then came back with a vengeance because of negligence. I am trying not to get to deep into this because there is so much that could have been done, but basically he died of malnutrition. He died the day after he turned 46 years old, he looked like a 90 year old man laying in his coffin, skin and bones, literally, I can only imagine, and don't really want to imagine what he looked like before the funeral home fixed him up. But since all that I am feeling philosophical about death right now so here is my point. Michael Schiavo has basically moved on with his life as much as he can, what with the girlfriend and kids. He must still love her if what you say is true about the money being gone, because if he really wanted to be free of his marital obligations to Terry, he probably would have turned her over to her parents or gotten a divorce. The husbands doctors say she feels no pain, has no thought processes, feels no emotions. The parents doctors say the complete opposite. How does a judge determine who is right and who is wrong. I don't want to be the judge. Terry's parents may be living in a dream world about her recuperation. Maybe they truly believe she can be rehabilitated. I say, if they want to take care of her expenses and rehab and medical bills, let them, they brought her into this world. Maybe if they had more direct involvement in their daughters care they would see the light. The only other alternative I can see is to find a humane way of putting her at rest, which basically would amount to euthanasia which is still illegal in this country. I cannot however support the removal of a feeding tube that would cause her to slowly starve to death over 2 weeks, on the sheer basis that she may feel pain, I just can't imagine what is going on in her mind right now if she can feel pain and is right now in her mind crying out for nourishment but cannot communicate these thoughts. These final statements are for TSBH. I feel that you may appreciate this as would others. My fiance's father was buried in his desert BDU's, with the 82nd Airborne logo embroidered on the inside of the casket. Buried with full military honors. He served in Desert Storm and the only thing he wanted to do was go back to Iraq, which is what he was in training to do with his National Guard unit when they found the cancer. If he hadn't been diagnosed with cancer he would probably had gotten his life straight when he got back. He told his sister last year when they found the cancer, that he would rather die in Iraq doing something he believed in, then die in a hospital bed. He was a true soldier who loved the Army and what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death I have to stick with my original points on this. Regardless of each individual's view on this--and most of you say you'd rather be "unplugged"--I don't think any of us REALLY know what Terri wants. Also, none of us really know what Terri's cognitive level is. What we do know is that her husband suddenly remembered after seven years that Terri wanted to die. SEVEN years! That does not seem right to me. Here are some facts about the case: ========================== A March 1991 bone scan showed "previous traumas," including compression fractures that could indicate she may have been the victim of domestic abuse. Video clips show Terri interacting with doctors and her parents. (Click here to visit terrisfight.org and to view video clips of Terri with her family.) Carla Sauer Iyer, a nurse who cared for Terri in 1995 and 1996, said Terri has said "Mommy," "help me" and "pain." Michael, Terri's husband, received $750,000 for Terri's care. Michael deposited the money in bank, and then soon requested a "do not resuscitate" order. He refused treatment for infections and stimulation, and has not provided any therapy as promised. Witnesses testified they heard Michael saying, "Has the **** died yet?" "When is she going to die?" Michael is engaged to a woman with whom he's had a baby and another is on the way. Michael inherits all monies upon Terri's death. Michael has worked to starve and dehydrate Terri to death, repeatedly removing her feeding. Michael refused to let them try to teach Terri how to swallow food before the feeding tube was taken out. Michael refused communion for Terri after her feeding tube was taken out. Michael requested Terri's body be cremated immediately upon her death. George Felos, Michael's lead attorney, is an assisted suicide advocate. Some 19 judges and 6 courts have been involved in the decade-long lawsuit. Over 18 disability rights organizations have expressed support for Terri. Dr. William Maxfield, a radiologist, said CD scans from 2002 show some brain damage but not the enormous loss of tissue described by others. He said, "People ought to know she can be rehabilitated." Dr. William Hammesfahr, a neurologist, recognized national expert on persistent vegetative state and Nobel Prize nominee says Terri's eyes clearly fixate on her family and she tries to follow the simple commands her parents give her. "She looks at you, she can follow commands," he said. Judge David Demers approved guardian Dr. Jay Wolfson for Terri who criticized "Terri's Law" designed to protect her life. Dr. Wolfson said, "If this law stands the constitutional test of the courts, then it certainly implies that the executive of our state has the prerogative of injecting the state in to your life, or your family member's life." Michael filed a motion with the court to prevent Terri's bone scan from being presented. Three nurses filed affidavits saying Michael has withheld proper medical care from Terri. Terri's best friend, Diane Meyer, recalled they had just seen a television movie about Karen Ann Quinland. Terri, wondering how the doctors and lawyers could possibly know what Quinland was really feeling or what she would want, said, "Where there's life, there's hope." Information compiled by Bradley Mattes, Executive Director of Life Issues Institute. www.lifeissues.org =========================== Of course, I'm not foolish enough to bet the farm that these are absolute truths considering they were from a biased website....but what I'm saying is just what President Bush said....that if we are to err, it is better to err on the side of life. So many are saying they wouldn't want to live in Terri's state. So long as there were a chance--even slight--that I may be rehabilitated, I would hope my family would try. Even if down the road, if they decided to "pull the plug," I would hope it is because they have exhaused all efforts available to them. Terri Schiavo...was NOT given a chance by her husband to receive treatment or rehab. He now has a common-law wife and children with her. He has not been a husband to Terri in a very real sense---and no loving couple I know would abandon their spouse as he did. At the very least, he should have had the decency to divorce her and turn his "lawsuit winnings" over to her parents for Terri's care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] He must still love her if what you say is true about the money being gone, because if he really wanted to be free of his marital obligations to Terry, he probably would have turned her over to her parents or gotten a divorce. [/ QUOTE ] Sluggo, like I said, I dont whats true and whats not.But this was off a websight run by terris family and freinds so Im guessing theyre telling the truth about the money.Heres the quote from the Q and A section of the site [ QUOTE ] MYTH: This is just a family battle over money. FACT: In 1992, Terri was awarded nearly one million dollars by a malpractice jury and an out-of-court malpractice settlement which was designated for future medical expenses. Of these funds, less than $50,000 remains today. The financial records revealing how Terri’s medical fund money is managed are SEALED from inspection. Court records, however, show that Judge Greer has approved the spending down of Terri’s medical fund on Schiavo’s attorney’s fees - though it was expressly awarded to Terri for her medical care. Schiavo’s primary attorney, George Felos, has received upwards of $400,000 dollars since Schiavo hired him. This same attorney, at the expense of Terri’s medical fund, publicly likened Terri to a “houseplant” and has used Terri’s case on national television to promote his newly published book. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] These final statements are for TSBH. I feel that you may appreciate this as would others. My fiance's father was buried in his desert BDU's, with the 82nd Airborne logo embroidered on the inside of the casket. Buried with full military honors. He served in Desert Storm and the only thing he wanted to do was go back to Iraq, which is what he was in training to do with his National Guard unit when they found the cancer. If he hadn't been diagnosed with cancer he would probably had gotten his life straight when he got back. He told his sister last year when they found the cancer, that he would rather die in Iraq doing something he believed in, then die in a hospital bed. He was a true soldier who loved the Army and what he did. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry for her loss. Every Veteran in this country, is authorized full military honors as long as they were honorably discharged. I appreciate the memory of her father but what in the world does that have to do with this case. I mean I know how screwed up the armyh hospitals are, heck all military hospitals are screwed up because all they are-are doctors who cant make it in the real world I guess the question is, do we let her suffer 2 weeks more or another 15 years. When are her parents going to say enough is enough. I am sure it is hard on them but come on man, 15 YEARS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Dont forget here guy's she never has had any rehab, even though her "cxaring" husban won a plie of money to be used for just that purpose...and WHY did he wait 7 years before coming forth with this "want to die" thing. While still married to her, which he is to this day, has he taken another women to be his partner?? " For better or worse",???? guess that dont mean a thing. Dr. who first performed a check-up on her said her conditions were that of ''STRANGULATION"....I beleive what we have here is another SCOTT PETERSON, but this guy didnt get the job done and through evil judges and laywers has been allowed to kill his wife!! I say send in the GAURDS get her out and lets get some rehab and see what she has to say! REMEMBER...a women just came out of a COMA after 20 YEARS, and is now giving interveiws about her ordeal. She could hear what people said and could not speak, but felt pain and hunger, lets er on the side of life here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea Well, it's up to the Supreme Court now, and based on their recent rulings, I don't have much faith in them doing the sensible thing and ordering the feeding tube reinserted. After Terri's dead, look for the next logical step in this progession, which will be infanticide of newborns who are severly handicapped, either physically or mentally. After all, they'll never be able to care for themselves, they can't talk, their quality of life will, in a word, suck. That's the same arguments we're using to kill Terri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These final statements are for TSBH. I feel that you may appreciate this as would others. My fiance's father was buried in his desert BDU's, with the 82nd Airborne logo embroidered on the inside of the casket. Buried with full military honors. He served in Desert Storm and the only thing he wanted to do was go back to Iraq, which is what he was in training to do with his National Guard unit when they found the cancer. If he hadn't been diagnosed with cancer he would probably had gotten his life straight when he got back. He told his sister last year when they found the cancer, that he would rather die in Iraq doing something he believed in, then die in a hospital bed. He was a true soldier who loved the Army and what he did. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry for her loss. Every Veteran in this country, is authorized full military honors as long as they were honorably discharged. I appreciate the memory of her father but what in the world does that have to do with this case. I mean I know how screwed up the armyh hospitals are, heck all military hospitals are screwed up because all they are-are doctors who cant make it in the real world I guess the question is, do we let her suffer 2 weeks more or another 15 years. When are her parents going to say enough is enough. I am sure it is hard on them but come on man, 15 YEARS! [/ QUOTE ] The final statements weren't meant to coincide with the current issue, maybe I should have just PM'd them to you. My thoughts and reasons on mentioning her father were expressed in the first paragraph of the post in question. As far as the specific mention for you, I just figured you would appreciate it and I am fully aware of the honors that veterans and retirees are entitled to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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