MadHuntinPastor Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Too many "what-if's" Fact is most of you guys feel worse seeing a deer who has starved to death than this poor lady. We wouldn't starve our pets we shouldn't starve anyone!! Period! We don't even starve criminals. Horrible way to die. NO ONE but God knows how she is feeling. Ask this question and answer fairly - If she isn't feeling pain, how horrible is it to let her live?? (Not selfishly thinking with your wallets) If she IS feeling pain, how horrible is it to starve her to death?? I know which one I think is worse. How bout you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Living in pain either as a vegetable, or trapped in an empty shell with now way to communicate, respond, keep the mind busy for 15 years is is what i peosnally would call far worse torture than suffering for a week or two to end it. Not that either is a good option, but to me lingering would be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Let me restate and explain so you guys can answer correctly - People wanting to let her die say "she doesn't feel anything so let her die" People wanting her to live say "she does feel so don't starve her" What would be the bigger crime if one group was wrong? Letting her continue to live if she Can't feel? (which won't hurt since she can't feel!!) or Letting her die when she does feel?? (which would be very painful.) If she does feel....she is alive!! Agree with GWBush. Let's err on the side of life since none of us are God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death AMEN Pastor!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Dea In case anyone would like to know what the person we're talking about looks like, here's a picture of her and her mother taken in the hospice... : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Actually the part of the brain that lets her feel pain or thirst or hunger is dead due to the stroke she had years ago. My wife has made it well known that she wouldn't want to live that way, neither would I. This is a very tough topic to swallow for many folks. I work with these type of people every day and if I was in their position I would rather be let go. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death you got it, horst. but, starve to death? i'd prefer a shot, just like i'd give a dying pet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] Living in pain either as a vegetable, or trapped in an empty shell with now way to communicate, respond, keep the mind busy for 15 years is is what i peosnally would call far worse torture than suffering for a week or two to end it. Not that either is a good option, but to me lingering would be worse. [/ QUOTE ] Put my thoughts into words right there. Take away the tube and let Gods will be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death A Mayo Clinic neurologist just came out stating that Terri Schiavo is NOT in a persistent vegetative state and that she does have some consciousness. Maybe her parents are just clinging onto a dream that has no possibility of coming true The arguement I'm seeing here that doesn't seem to hold water is the "well, I wouldn't want to live like that." Maybe most people wouldn't...but we really DON'T know what she's thinking--if anything. She hasn't been independently evaluated. And if we err on the side of convenience, where will that lead us? After seven years....SEVEN YEARS, Michael Schiavo suddenly remembered she wouldn't want to live? Now he has a commonlaw wife and two kids. How can anyone argue that he even has a REMOTE interest in her best interest. Though legally he may have authority, in a very real sense he has forfeited that right by living with another woman. My biggest fear is where will this mentality lead us? Yesterday, I heard about a "Baby Nauer" or "Baby Nauert" who was born severely retarded, blind, and missing two limbs. The parents argue that the child will have terrible quality of life....and are BEGGING the courts to let them starve the baby to death. I still haven't been able to find more info on this case, but will let you know when I do. Is this much of a stretch from the Schiavo case? Even if she is minimally conscious, WHY starvation and dehydration to kill her? I don't believe in doctor-assisted suicide, but I cannot think of a more brutal form of death than dehydration. I understand the use of it when someone is dying of terminal cancer or some other illness, but until they started to deprive her of nutrition and water, Terri was NOT dying. I've probably been trying to make the same point with every post on this topic, but I can't stress the importance enough. I'm not just parroting the words of Bush, because I truly believe it IS better to err on the side of LIFE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death I found some info on Baby Nauer...it was actually a case in Germany in the 1930's. (The blip I heard on the radio was completely vague.) Regardless of when, Pat Buchanan talked about this on Scarborough Country and this is what he said... "Look, the rabbi is exactly right. There was a book written in Germany in 1920 about the right to do away with life unworthy of life. And what happened in the 1930s, they took baby Nauer (ph) first, a baby about 8 years old that was retarded, didn‘t have an arm and a leg. They asked Hitler, can we put the boy to death? He talked to his doctor. He said yes. Out of that came the Aktion 4 program. They put 100,000 to death until a bishop protested. And, Joe, let me tell you. One of the leaders of the Aktion 4 program wound up as the commandant of Treblinka. " (I just wanted to clarify my earlier post--as I thought this was a CURRENT case.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] These final statements are for TSBH. I feel that you may appreciate this as would others. My fiance's father was buried in his desert BDU's, with the 82nd Airborne logo embroidered on the inside of the casket. Buried with full military honors. He served in Desert Storm and the only thing he wanted to do was go back to Iraq, which is what he was in training to do with his National Guard unit when they found the cancer. If he hadn't been diagnosed with cancer he would probably had gotten his life straight when he got back. He told his sister last year when they found the cancer, that he would rather die in Iraq doing something he believed in, then die in a hospital bed. He was a true soldier who loved the Army and what he did. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry for her loss. Every Veteran in this country, is authorized full military honors as long as they were honorably discharged. I appreciate the memory of her father but what in the world does that have to do with this case. I mean I know how screwed up the armyh hospitals are, heck all military hospitals are screwed up because all they are-are doctors who cant make it in the real world I guess the question is, do we let her suffer 2 weeks more or another 15 years. When are her parents going to say enough is enough. I am sure it is hard on them but come on man, 15 YEARS! [/ QUOTE ] The final statements weren't meant to coincide with the current issue, maybe I should have just PM'd them to you. My thoughts and reasons on mentioning her father were expressed in the first paragraph of the post in question. As far as the specific mention for you, I just figured you would appreciate it and I am fully aware of the honors that veterans and retirees are entitled to. [/ QUOTE ] Understood Slugo. With that, I think I already thanked you for sharing the memory of her father as well. I am also sure that you know the procedures for deceased Vets. It sorta confused me as to why you were relating that story with this story, thats all. But now that you explained yourself, I understand. Keep messing with me too We will play games if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] Keep messing with me too We will play games if you want [/ QUOTE ] Nothing gives me greater pleasure jarhead. Where's my friggin omelet!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death Last thing I will say on this is, does it really seem natural or right in any way to continue life for a prolonged extended period when that life is not a life the person would want to live; being reliant on unnatural methods of life support (vents,feeding tubes, etc.)? Medical means to sustain life whether it be through nutrition or breathing aparatus, is it really right to play God in the sense of people wanting to keep another living for their own comfort when that person is in all likeliness suffering in situations such as this where a person has had an extended illness they will without some form of miracle never recover from? Health care in my opinion keeps many "alive" who are not living and in some instances in my honest opinion that only reason for that is because they cannot continue to charge a dead person. Sure some doctors will want someone who will never recover to be kept alive, that is job security for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Florida Judge Sentences Innocent Person to Death [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Keep messing with me too We will play games if you want [/ QUOTE ] Nothing gives me greater pleasure jarhead. Where's my friggin omelet!?!?!? [/ QUOTE ] Listen here slugster....just because you couldn't hack it in the Air Force...don't hate a man that used to flip green eggs So whats the story today with this lady....any more appeals or anything else I last heard on the news that she is going downhill pretty fast??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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