Chrud Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned The cheating by Berrier was pretty blantant. Thats why I say fine him. I don't agree with suspending him though. Something like an illegal fuel cell would be $500,000 (if I ran NASCAR) and I'm sure that is a HUGE chunk of the crew chief's salary. Enough to make them not want to do it again. OK, $500,000 might be a bit much. But still $250,000 would be a good wake-up call. Big infractions like that should go at least $100,000 or better. I gave such high figures to make the point that $10,000 and $25,000 ain't but a thing to these guys. You sure are right. The 48 team new EXACTLY how low that car would go. I said I didn't like JJ, but I respected him. Now, he and his team have lost my respect. Just thinking how they got caught during and after the race and basically got 1/10 of their winnings from the race taken away. I'd much rather see Jeff Gordon win clean for Hendrick than JJ cheat to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned I have to agree with you Chrud,,JJ and his team have lost my respect and it's going to take more than the traditional apology to the public to get it back, thats for sure... As for Harvick it's unfortunate that he has to pay for his CC and crew's big NO,NO but even you will have to admitt that the driver knows what's going on with his car, and if he didn't well all I can say is I think taking driver points from him was extreme, but I think he knew these drivers are just more than drivers these days... As for Dale's BIG FINE I said it once before and I'll say it again NASCAR went way overboard with that one,,,,,these drivers need to be able to express their views and I have definatley heard alot worse words and Im sure the majority of the publics has as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned i love nascar!!!!!..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned [ QUOTE ] Chrud lets take this senario to it's conclusion and say Harvick and his team hadn't been cuaght and they won the race becuase they started up front,,,,which in my mind he would have done his car was definately one of the best in the field that race..... Now he cheated to get that win and accumilated all kinds of winning and postional points. [/ QUOTE ] We all agree that all the teams bend the rules...right? With your example...it wouldn't have been an issue because he didn't get caught. Bottom line, if Barrier would have played dumb and acted like the other crew chiefs, he would have been ok too? I don't care what team gets caught or how the infraction happened...take away points, fine, suspention whatever...just be fair about it. BTW... [ QUOTE ] but cheating is cheating wether it's done post race, during the race, or even after the race and should be handled in the same fashion in my opinion.... [/ QUOTE ] Post race and after the race are the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned I think if they take points away from one driver, they should divide those points and give them to the remaining drivers (i.e. 25 point fine, the remaining 42 drivers in the top 43 should each get .5952 points) I think both Snapper and Chrud have expressed my views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkinslinger Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned I don't think they should have punished poor poor Harvick like they did.......they should have made him run the race with that fuel cell!!! I'll bet after 20 or more gas and goes they wouldn't do it again!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu just let it go Jr fans, its over. It seems to me that everything that Hendricks does wrong you think they should get the biggest fine and everything else on top of that. I think they should have gotten something out of it. Like a fine or something but they didn't. It ain't their fault NASCAR didn't give them a fine. It's over let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu Two of the biggest Hendrick fans on this board ALSO think the overturn is a bad call. I don't understand how you think it's right for Hendrick to cheat to win and not get anything out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] I don't understand how you think it's right for Hendrick to cheat to win and not get anything out of it? [/ QUOTE ] If you read my message I said that they should have gotten something out of it. I didn't say a fine, but yeah they should have gotten a fine. But they didn't and why they didn't is up to Nascar. I'm a Hendricks fan as well, ands I do disagree with the call of no fines. But Nascar screwed that up, by not giving them a fine. That's not Hendricks Fault. They should have gotten one, but they didn't. Time to move on to more races! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu Hendrick did get fined, $35,000. But, the crew chief prepared a car that didn't pass spec after the race. Heck, they even made a little tug adjustment that NASCAR made them undo. There have been suspensions for a lot lighter conduct. They should still have been suspended. They cheated, and guess what, they are getting away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu I agree with Chrud, its telling other teams bad things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] just let it go Jr fans, its over. It seems to me that everything that Hendricks does wrong you think they should get the biggest fine and everything else on top of that. I think they should have gotten something out of it. Like a fine or something but they didn't. It ain't their fault NASCAR didn't give them a fine. It's over let it go. [/ QUOTE ] It is always JUST the Junior fans!!!! BTW we can't move on to another race, b/c we have a week off, which means we have one more week to discuss/argue the subject! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu im with casey.....GET OVER IT !!!!!.. it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... ( and he will ).......geez...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned [ QUOTE ] Post race and after the race are the same thing! [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Snapper you had to catch that one didn't you.... Like I said being an BIG time Gordon Fan,,,I will say this again NASCAR really messed up on this big time all the way around the board.... I think NASCAR should fine themselves and donate the money to the Victory Junction Gang,,and Duct Tape their mouths for 4 Races.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned Man, I'm gone for a couple of days and yall have a party without me! I know all sides of this issue have been voiced, but i gotta put my .02 in too. If I were Nascar, I would have given 29 Team-Disallow qualifying time, since he qualified illegally, fine Berrier $150,000 and suspend for a race for openly cheating. 25 & 48 Teams-Fine crew chiefs $75,000. Dock drivers 50 points each for racing with illegal car. Give Knaus a free class in race setups, so he will know not to accidently overadjust. I agree that this was a blunder for Nascar. But at least they didn't give them their points back! I think they should cut Berrier's suspension period in half. I don't know a whole lot about the appeals commitee, but I heard that it is composed of 3 people. 3 people! And the decision on overturning the suspensions was not unanimous. So basically one man's view on the subject was the deciding factor. It just don't seem right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned Spyder, you carack me up..... You aren't being just alittle Bias and partial now are we ????? LOL.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overturned [ QUOTE ] Spyder, you carack me up..... You aren't being just alittle Bias and partial now are we ????? LOL.. [/ QUOTE ] No more than Nascar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... [/ QUOTE ] Thats the point...Harvick's team was also caught cheating (before the race) and his team got hit harder than Johnston's or Busch's teams. Then to add salt to the wound...they (nascar) takes away part of their penilty????????? This isn't about favorites...Jr/Gordon/Harvick whoever...they should be treated equally. I don't think someone saying a "bad" word on tv should get the same punishment as someone who cheats to win! Its hard to get over it...Nascar is wrong and it disgusts me to even think about it. Guess its time to start watching golf or something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu harvicks crew chiefs big mouth got them in so much trouble......come on dude, you don't tell nascar "i will do it again because i know how you caught me"..... thats kinda dumb to me. & i do disagree about giving a guy a fine for cussing, i thought that was a bunch of bull myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] im with casey.....GET OVER IT !!!!!.. it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... ( and he will ).......geez...... [/ QUOTE ] you must mean jeff Gordon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] harvicks crew chiefs big mouth got them in so much trouble......come on dude, you don't tell nascar "i will do it again because i know how you caught me"..... [/ QUOTE ] So do you think if he would have played dumb and act like he was sorry and didn't know anything about the fuel cell...he would have got less? Come on...they all play with the "gray area"...he was man enough to admit he got caught. Nascar isn't stupid...they know all the crew chiefs will being flirting with the rules next race also. So why lie about it? Shouldn't matter how the crew chief, driver, owner acts...should be fair. If the car isn't legal...it isn't legal PERIOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu deldeer. so you are saying what Berrier said got them a worse penalty? how is that any different than Junior getting penalized for what he said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] deldeer. so you are saying what Berrier said got them a worse penalty? how is that any different than Junior getting penalized for what he said? [/ QUOTE ] Berrier, seemed to have this " You caught me, so what!" attitude about the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it did play into the severity of the punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im with casey.....GET OVER IT !!!!!.. it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... ( and he will ).......geez...... [/ QUOTE ] you must mean jeff Gordon! [/ QUOTE ] LOL! Cheating is against the rules and the cheaters should be punished, no matter who they are. Seems a couple folks here now think that because th suspensions were overturned that JJ and Kyle Busch did nothing wrong. Heck, all they did was finish 1, 2 with illegal cars. No big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im with casey.....GET OVER IT !!!!!.. it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... ( and he will ).......geez...... [/ QUOTE ] you must mean jeff Gordon! [/ QUOTE ] Gordon will never get caught cheating! I Hope. (Everyone has probably cheated, its whether or not theyve gotten caught) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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