Hillbilly Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im with casey.....GET OVER IT !!!!!.. it will be very interesting to see how SOME people will voice their opinion when a certain SOMEone else gets caught cheating.... ( and he will ).......geez...... [/ QUOTE ] you must mean jeff Gordon! [/ QUOTE ] LOL! Cheating is against the rules and the cheaters should be punished, no matter who they are. Seems a couple folks here now think that because th suspensions were overturned that JJ and Kyle Busch did nothing wrong. Heck, all they did was finish 1, 2 with illegal cars. No big deal. [/ QUOTE ] Listen to what I'm saying. I'm a hendrick fan and yes they should have been fined and suspended. But they didn't and thats not the chief's fault. They did cheat, but they aren't the one who let them go. Nascar should have given them suspensions. But they didn't, why I don't know. It's over and its done. I'm not saying cheating is fine by me. I never said that. But what I'm saying here is this post should be blaming nascar and not the Hendricks. Yes, they cheated and they got caught. But Nascar screwed it all up, but not giving them suspensions. This thread should be about Nascar screwing it up. It's over we no one can do anything about it, so let's stop talkin about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu Lets see, you were one of the first to respond and you've responded at least 4 times...if you wish to let it go...so be it. This was your first reply to this thread...even though you don't agree with cheating? [ QUOTE ] CAMO_CASEY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Hendricks!!! [/ QUOTE ] Prob. the only reason this thread is still going is because some acused only Jr. fans of being upset with this. Sorta like..."We got away with it...na na na". "Take that you Hedrick haters". BTW, I'm not a Hendrick or DEI fan...but don't hate any of them either. I won't post on this subject any more unless I hear something about the #29 team. I'm upset over Nascars inconsitantancies...just not alot I can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu I'm not upset at Hendrick. I'm upset at NASCAR. Well, I am upset that Hendrick is getting away with it. I have a ton of respect for Jeff Gordon and had for JJ. Now, my respect for Jimmie Johnson and his crew is gone because they cheated, won the race because of it and got away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] I'm not upset at Hendrick. I'm upset at NASCAR. Well, I am upset that Hendrick is getting away with it. I have a ton of respect for Jeff Gordon and had for JJ. Now, my respect for Jimmie Johnson and his crew is gone because they cheated, won the race because of it and got away with it. [/ QUOTE ] Took the words right out of my mouth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] Two of the biggest Hendrick fans on this board ALSO think the overturn is a bad call. I don't understand how you think it's right for Hendrick to cheat to win and not get anything out of it? [/ QUOTE ] I guess I am the third biggest Hendrick fan on here, and guess what, I am glad the suspensions were overturned and saddened that the whole thing wasn't overturned. Mechanical failures aren't cheating. The car Chad Knaus set up was within specs before the race. What happens next, what if he had brushed the wall and caused the bolt to break and lower the car, is that cheating, nope, some on here would say it is. Junior fans will be bringing up the cursing incident from now until armageddon, NASCAR set a precedent by fining two drivers previously for cursing. Do I care one way or the other, nope, nothing I haven't heard or said before. He knew he was on network TV, he knows it's a no no. But in the heat of the moment thats OK. Tell that to Todd Parrot a few years back when the network tapped into his team microphone during a pitstop and a worse word than what Junior uttered was aired, guess what, NASCAR fined the bejesus out of him, that was in the heat of the moment, so I guess he shouldn't have gotten fined. IMHO, he shouldn't have, because he shouldn't have to worry about some network airing what he is doing on a pitstop over live TV. If fans want to hear whats going on, buy a scanner and go to a race, you'll hear a lot worse, and you'll get a recorded disclaimer from the team before the race telling you you may not like some things you hear. NASCAR is trying to find a new way to alienate the fans, eventually it won't even be worth racing any more because the teams are all gonna have their cars 100 pounds overweight, 6 inches too high and a more restrictive restrictor plate just in case something breaks or falls off and they will still be within specs when the race is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] I guess I am the third biggest Hendrick fan on here, and guess what, I am glad the suspensions were overturned and saddened that the whole thing wasn't overturned. Mechanical failures aren't cheating. The car Chad Knaus set up was within specs before the race. [/ QUOTE ] slugshooter, that's just the problem Chad said it was a fualty chasis bolt, but when Nascar Inpected the bolt/bolts in question they found nothing wrong with them persay that they were defective..... The problem was that Chad and the crew overadjusted on the car during pitstops, this where the Hieght discrepincy comes into play, and I for one think Chad knew exactly what he was doing. As for Kyles car well that one should have been caught at tech. inspection and Nascar just blew that one. A real bad weekend for NASCAR all together IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu Here's another .02 cents. All this debating is just what NASCAR wants. We play right into their hands. The "racing" is not what is getting the sport it's attention. It's this type of thing. Cheating, fighting and controversey. The racing stinks. It's boring as far as racing is concerned. Anybody who followed this sport before it went Hollywood knows what I'm talking about. I was elated as heck to see Carl Edwards win both races last week! I am no Ford or Roush fan, but how can you not like this guy. What a great race it was! Not!!!! The race was a long boring 4 hours except for the finish. But NASCAR will survive as long as it has controversey and a few finishes like last week here and there. If they were to take away wins when teams are caught cheating, the cheating would pretty much lessen to a high degree. Now NASCAR would have boring races, no cheating and little controversey. All that equals lower fan support. They got the attention of the cheating at Atlanta, let fans stew over it for a week and then lessen the penalty for two teams that cheated which creates even more debate and excitement among the fans and we still have to wait to hear a decision on RCR. NASCAR knows what they're doing and it makes a nice sound for them. Cha Ching.....ching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] I for one think Chad knew exactly what he was doing. [/ QUOTE ] If he didn't, he isn't a crew chief. I find that interesting that NASCAR found nothing wrong with the bolts. I too think Chad knew exactly what he was doing. I brought up the Junior penalty because his was only $10,000 less for swearing after the race. Makes no sense to me. Who knows, maybe NASCAR has a new favorite. LOL, how do you Hendrick fans like it when you get called NASCAR's favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] What a great race it was! Not!!!! The race was a long boring 4 hours except for the finish. [/ QUOTE ] Man, I don't know what race you watched, but the one i saw had great racing, with side-by-side racing all over the track. I am getting kind of fed up with people saying the races are boring, but then freaking out when someone spins someone else out. The last couple of races have been good IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] All this debating is just what NASCAR wants. We play right into their hands. The "racing" is not what is getting the sport it's attention. It's this type of thing. Cheating, fighting and controversey. The racing stinks. It's boring as far as racing is concerned. Anybody who followed this sport before it went Hollywood knows what I'm talking about. [/ QUOTE ] You could be right...except in certain cases (ie: myself) I'm to the point where I don't even care if I miss the race on Sunday's. There was a time were everything went on hold on Sunday's...go to church and watch Nascar. After going to Charolette for many years for the coke-cola 600...I missed it last year and really didn't care. I'm going again this year, but (Nascar if your listening) I'm really losing interest in this "sport". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] Man, I don't know what race you watched, but the one i saw had great racing, with side-by-side racing all over the track. I am getting kind of fed up with people saying the races are boring, but then freaking out when someone spins someone else out. The last couple of races have been good IMO [/ QUOTE ] I have to disagree with you spyder. for the most part the races have been boring. I will say that the last 10 to 20 laps of each race has been exciting though, which is better than a boring finish. IMO the truck races have been blowing away all of the other top Nascar series for excitement. You wantto see hard, side by side racing lap after lap. It's in the truck series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu yeah.... like chrud said a couple posts back.. "heck,no big deal"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] Man, I don't know what race you watched, but the one i saw had great racing, with side-by-side racing all over the track. I am getting kind of fed up with people saying the races are boring, but then freaking out when someone spins someone else out. The last couple of races have been good IMO [/ QUOTE ] Sorry your fed up with me and the many others, but life is made up of many opinions and we all need to deal with that. I'm glad that you and others can enjoy the "racing" nowadays, that's cool. I'm guessing you haven't been around the sport as long. I've been following it since the late eighties and I know things change and grow and that's life, but when you have to have engineers, wind tunnels and spend millions of dollars just to have "the right shöcks" I think that is going to far for "stock racing". I could write half a book but we'll save that for another day. The sport now is all about one thing and that is money. We do see some decent racing here and there, but there is just to little of that to keep this fan interested. Back on topic as far as the cheating. I owned a car we raced at Lee Raceway in Lee, NH. My uncle also raced there for years. When teams were caught cheating or something was found illegal their finshing position was taken away and yes, that included the "winner". This is a NASCAR affiliated track that operates under their rules. Whare's the consistency? Why isn't that done in the Cup, Busch and Truck series? See my last post for my opinion on why that is. What you described as Sundays race sounds more like the truck race on Friday night. If you enjoyed the racing Sunday you would have been overwhelmed with joy with the truck race! I taped Sundays race and used the FF button on my VCR. The only side by side good racing I saw were the 10 or so laps after the restarts. Ckeck out the Busch race at Nashville, this track usually provides some great racing. Hopefully I won't have to use that FF button as much...lol! Back to turkey scouting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu I love a good clean argument, hope it sticks to that way. It's only a sport and I can leave it at that. Just can't leave a good argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu james7, i too have been following nascar since back in the early 80's , & my family has watched it for as long as i can remember. we use to go to dover & just get your tickets at the gate, & sit were you wanted.....but those days are long gone. nascar has gone mainstream, & pretty much has forgotten where it came from & ruined the racing in my opinion, but i still go. they have to cater to the big money sponsors now & when you do that it changes everything. you can really see the difference in it now compared to then....but in the nascar series, like i've said before they all cheat, some get caught others don't, & it has always been that way. the way they hand out their fines has always been lopsided to, some things will never change. i think alot of goes back to when nascar decided it needed to mandate certain things on a race car that they should'nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu You are right, I am a newer NASCAR fan, I started paying attention to the races in 2000. I have read lots about the good-ol-days, but never got to see them. However, when I found NASCAR, I fell in love with it, and it is the best sport I know of to watch. Maybe that's why I stand up for it when yall slam it, because I don't know how much better it used to be. Looking back at the stats and everything, it appears to me that this is the most competitive era EVER. Not a couple of high-profile drivers with good sponsers lapping everyone else. It has always been about money, because the more money, the better the equipment. As far as last sundays race, Newman, Biffle, and Johnson were upfront and side-by-side with each other almost the whole race. The tv camera wasn't always on them, but that's why i listen to the race while I watch it a lot of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu don't get me wrong, im not slaming it.... it is what it is.....i still love it, but......im sorry, it was better back in the old days, try watching one of those classic races on espn, pretty cool stuff!!!!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu [ QUOTE ] try watching one of those classic races on espn, pretty cool stuff!!!!.... [/ QUOTE ] That's about the only good thing I have read so far in this thread. Boys it's over. Happy Easter . Now lets get it on , Its Bristol baby ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu But Bristol is still a week away! I watched the 1993 Hooters 500 at Atlanta on my "3" DVD the other night. I was liking that TV coverage quite a bit better than today's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu Those old races are great on that DVD Chrud, I love watching them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu yeah, lets move on fella's....i think we beat this subject to death !!!!!!........espn classics use to show a lot of those old races, i don't know if they still do..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Re: Small victory for Hendrick. Suspensions overtu I agree, lets go on. I'm sure the races were better in the old day, but I think they are still the best. I love NASCAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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