T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinserted

[slugshooter]

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My supervisor at work agrees that her life basically needs to end but we are both torn over how they are going about it. Noone knows if she is feeling pain or not. I look at it this way, lets say when Terry first went in the hospital after her stroke, and she was still able to have rational thoughts and try to communicate, after 15 years of living in this shell, trying to communicate, scream, shout, talk, whatever, after 15 years of this she most likely will have gone insane and no amount of therapy could help her now. I don't agree with starving her to death, but she needs to be at rest somehow, in a few days all her suffering could be over and her brain damage would be gone. I find it interesting that so many Christian groups are fighting for her to stay alive when she would be much better off in heaven wouldn't she?

Feeding tubes are removed routinely. This isn't something new. The only reason it is major news now is that her parents have been fighting to keep her alive and making the news about this. I don't believe that there is anything rational or cognizant thought inside her head. If I the courts and the doctors are wrong about this, then God help them, but they are only doing what they think is right, and I don't fault them for it. I am just glad the decision is not mine.

If God wants her to continue to live, then he will make it so.

[fisherguy]

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Second, another woman who'd been in a comatose state for 20+ years just came out of her coma.

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There is a big difference between being in a coma, and having a severely damaged brain that is missing the part necessary for cognitive awareness or thought.

[Norm Sauceman]

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Yes, the tube should be inserted and her parents should be given full custody of her. Since she is not on any other means of life support other than a feeding tube, the insurance company should let the parents take care of that out of their own pockets or donations. If she was to take a turn for the worse, the should be taken care of as long as the parents are alive and take good care of her.

[ParrotHead]

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I guess where I have the biggest question is, as Christians (and some of you are), what is the single most belief in a Christian? The promise of everlasting life isn't it. So as a Christian, why would I want to prolong her death if I believed she would be better off living the promise that our lord has spoke so passontly about and that's the promise of heaven.

I recall a story I read somewhere about a Preacher that took his son and another kid fishing or somethign like that and both kids fell into the water. Without hessitation the preacher saved the other kids life before his tried to save his own sons life and as fate had it, his son drowned.

When asked why he choose the other kid his response was that he knew his son had been saved and he knew that the other kid hadn't so he let his own son drown because he knew that he would be in a far better place beside the lord.

So I guess my question to someone that claims to believe in God and his promise of everlasting life would be "why do you think it's necessary to prolong someone's death?"

Just one more thing to ponder since this thread is getting such a workout.

[buckee]

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Interesting analogy John and definitely something we think of as Christians.

The man who saved the other boy instead of his son, made a quick and unselfish choice, no doubt, but in reality, if he had time, he would have saved his own son as well, wouldn't he.

As living, breathing Christians we have the awesome responsibility of comforting and taking care of the sick, being a voice for the down-troddin and opressed, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, etc, etc.

I am looking forward to the day I go to meet my saviour. That statement alone can be taken as suicidal by a non-believer, couldn't it. I also look forward to serving the Lord in what-ever capacity I can, while I am still a living and breathing soul.

I heard on the news not too long ago, where a mother murdered her 3 children, using the reasoning that they were better off with the Lord. She's probably right about that, but she had no right to send them there early now, did she.

As long as we are living, breathing Christians, we have a ommission and the last time I checked, it didn't include purposefully sentencing an innocent person to death, out of convenience for the living.

I understand what you are saying John. As a Christian, she would definately be better off with the Lord, but, for the person or persons that hand down her sentence to die .... what about them??

Just another way of looking at it and I hope I relayed my thoughts properly.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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I recall a story I read somewhere about a Preacher that took his son and another kid fishing or somethign like that and both kids fell into the water. Without hessitation the preacher saved the other kids life before his tried to save his own sons life and as fate had it, his son drowned.

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You know, this is why I can't get into this whole religion thing. That guy, rather he is a preacher or not, needed to be thrown in a slammer for life for neglecting his son. Why on earth would you not rescue your own son first. Can you (he) prove that he was saved??? Tell me please and don't use all that mumbo jumbo bull either. Tell me why he wouldn't save his own son first! Man, you just ruined my day man. I HATE when people neglect thier children. That's why I can't stand watching the news anymore, all you hear is how children were killed by their parents. And how I look at it, this is no different. It would be different if he tried to rescue his son FIRST and failed because we all know, poop happens but to neglect your own child because you THINK he is saved or you THINK you know he is saved is UNSAT. I wonder how this PREACHER lives with himself everyday!

[horst]

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So from a religous standpoint its better to keep her a vegetable for the next 30 yrs?Im having trouble buying that.Theyre keeping her body alive, her mental capacities gone.It doesnt take a doctor to see if she hasnt regained her any mental capacities in 15 years theyre not coming back.Shes not living now, she can do nothing for herself, she relies on a tube to feed her, people to bathe her, someone has to move her to get from point A to point B.She cant tell anyone anything, she cant even point to show people what she wants.People in this state have to be turned by others so they dont get bedsores.By what definition is she living?I find it hard to believe as a Christian its our duty to keep someones heart beating above everything else.This isnt even about what Terri wants, nobody knows what she wants.This whole thing is about what her parents want.I keep seeing crap about what a bad guy her husband is and how its his selfishness causing this.IMo its the partens being selfish, their keeping a shell of a person alive because they cant let go.I dont think thats how God intended it to be, but who am I to say

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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So from a religous standpoint its better to keep her a vegetable for the next 30 yrs?Im having trouble buying that.Theyre keeping her body alive, her mental capacities gone.It doesnt take a doctor to see if she hasnt regained her any mental capacities in 15 years theyre not coming back.Shes not living now, she can do nothing for herself, she relies on a tube to feed her, people to bathe her, someone has to move her to get from point A to point B.She cant tell anyone anything, she cant even point to show people what she wants.People in this state have to be turned by others so they dont get bedsores.By what definition is she living?I find it hard to believe as a Christian its our duty to keep someones heart beating above everything else.This isnt even about what Terri wants, nobody knows what she wants.This whole thing is about what her parents want.I keep seeing crap about what a bad guy her husband is and how its his selfishness causing this.IMo its the partens being selfish, their keeping a shell of a person alive because they cant let go.I dont think thats how God intended it to be, but who am I to say

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Are you replying to me horst? My statement had nothing to do with this lady, it had to do with the preacherman who watched his son die without helping him because he KNEW he was saved by Jesus

I agree with you man, her parents need to let her go.

Just wondering because you replied using my name

[ParrotHead]

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You know, this is why I can't get into this whole religion thing. That guy, rather he is a preacher or not, needed to be thrown in a slammer for life for neglecting his son. Why on earth would you not rescue your own son first. Can you (he) prove that he was saved??? Tell me please and don't use all that mumbo jumbo bull either. Tell me why he wouldn't save his own son first! Man, you just ruined my day man. I HATE when people neglect thier children. That's why I can't stand watching the news anymore, all you hear is how children were killed by their parents. And how I look at it, this is no different. It would be different if he tried to rescue his son FIRST and failed because we all know, poop happens but to neglect your own child because you THINK he is saved or you THINK you know he is saved is UNSAT. I wonder how this PREACHER lives with himself everyday!

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But what you’re not looking at is the “duty” of anyone that claims they are a man of Christ. Obviously being a preacher, this man knew his son more than anyone and if he believed that he was saved and he was sure in his faith then given the fact that only one child could be saved, he choose the right child. Look at the Bible for the answers here guys, it plainly states that you must put God before anything or anyone, that includes your family, friends, anyone.

With that said, would I have as much faith as this man did? Simply put, No. I would be the one that went for my child first because I’m selfish…..you can’t put it anymore clear than that. I would rather enjoy the life of my child than to go through the pain of losing him and that will be something I have to deal with when I have judgement day with my maker.

As for your comments on “killing”, I don’t believe that this man killed anyone. He saved the life of a child and now has become labeled as a “killer” in your eyes because you believe he didn’t make the correct choice in who he saved.

Your analogy is troubling at best. Look at everyday life, a firefighter saves one life but fails to save another. Is he a killer? A police officer saves a life while another is lost, is he killer based solely on who he saved? A preacher saved a childs life while another perished and he’s a killer for it?

Again, all I’m doing is offering yet one more side to a topic that already has multiple sides. Lets not turn this Terry Schivo debate into the preacher debate.

[buckee]

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So Steve, if you're going to edit mine..you'd better edit Horst's too! We are both name calling aren't we?

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Never-mind ...If you don't get it, then there is no sense trying to explain it to you. Hope you had a good laugh.

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Mike, I think you missed the point in that story. It just means that the other child, was every bit as important as his own child.

It's similar to the bible story about the good Shepherd (Jesus), who leaves his flock of sheep, to go and rescue one that is lost.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Your analogy is troubling at best. Look at everyday life, a firefighter saves one life but fails to save another. Is he a killer? A police officer saves a life while another is lost, is he killer based solely on who he saved? A preacher saved a childs life while another perished and he’s a killer for it?

Again, all I’m doing is offering yet one more side to a topic that already has multiple sides.

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It is not the same thing. Far from the same thing. We are talking about a man who went to the lake with 2 boys. Both boys fell in the water and instead of rescuing his son, he rescued some other boy.

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Lets not turn this Terry Schivo debate into the preacher debate.

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Look, no argument here OK. I just seen something that I didn't like and I jumped on it. It's nature...BTW..I am a troubled man parrothead, I agree there because I look at life obvisouly different then some of you.

[Norm Sauceman]

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HUH??? Where do you think the King got HIS laws from??? Was it hmmm King James?

[ParrotHead]

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I'm not arguing brother - just offering a different point of view.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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I know ...I am just a grouch remember

Back to the topic. I do however agree that the topic is not funny. The fruits and veges have to go because it is rude. Now I am an ignorant person, I will be the first to admit that but I am usually ignorant to other things, not someone dying who suffered for 15 years...unless of course were were...nevermind. But I think we need to move on and take a look at other tradagies(sp) that are happening. This should of never gotten as far as it has. Her parents are making things worse if anything. As far as him, well...what do you do after 15 years ya know? I don't ever want to find out.

[horst]

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TSBH, look again, I never mentioned your name in my reply That was just a general comment.ADK,shes in a vegatative state, if the doctors can call it that i guesse i can.The way you used the word and the way I used it were 2 entirely different things.I wasnt trying to get a laugh when i said it.

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Horst, I'd rather keep her as a fruit!

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See the difference?

Nobobody answered my question either.Define life, is it the ability to breathe?Or is a heartbeat considered living?The ability to think and respond to things maybe?I didnt bring up the religous aspect of this but she was dead 15 years ago till a man put that feeding tube in her.You guys seem awfully sure that was in accordance with Gods plans for this lady.In the natural order of things however she woulda been dead long ago.The argument could go either way on that one, is playing God the taking of ones life or saving it when they should be dead?In a case like this what makes you so sure lifes the right answer?

[markyj987]

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First of all, there is an inaccuracy I would like to clear up. Our foundation for government is most DEFINITELY based on Biblical principles, either directly or indirectly trhough English common law. Anyone who reads and researches writings of our founding fathers can verify that. There was actually a study done by a university that showed the percentage of quotes in their writings derived from the Bible vs. other sources. If interested, I will post the data tonight.

Though the courts and "mainstream media" would like you to forget that, it is very much the truth.

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Is this any different than Jehovahs Witnesses not wanting blood transfusions, or Christian Scientists not wanting medical care. It is great to trust the Lord and everything and believe in miracles. I believe in them myself, but eventually you have to just let go.

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I'm sure you know this already, but they have been criminally prosecuted for these refusals.

My point of view on this has been consistent. We do NOT know one way or the other. Both the Schiavo and Schindler camps are spinning this opposite ways.

A real catch 22 is how the courts have handled the case. Though many conservatives, myself included, are quick to complain about activists judges, the courts in this case have consistently interpreted the law correctly. Though Michael Schiavo may indeed be wrong, the courts have faithfully done their duty as constitutionally directed. I do not think the decision to deny reinsertion is correct, but in a legal sense, the courts HAVE been correct.

In fact, one of the judges in Florida, a Christian conservative Republican, was asked to dissolve his membership at his Baptist church for following the letter of the law.

As it pertains directly to this case, I remain convinced that NONE of us are getting the real facts. Depending on the spin we've heard, we have formed our opinions. I've heard both positions, both sets of "facts" and can only conclude that it's been inconclusive. In this situation, we SHOULD err on the side of life!

We cannot apply the "If I was in this situation, I would..." test to this. It doesn't fit because we DON'T know what Terri Schiavo wants. We also cannot compare her to someone who has an inoperable, terminal illness.

Regarding the comment about the preacher who saved the life of his son's friend, I can only say this. Only the Lord knows what is in our hearts and whether or not we have been saved. However, as his father, he probably had a pretty good idea. I'm with PH on this one...I think I would be too selfish to do the same.

I don't know that Michael Schiavo is a villan. Nor do I know that her parents' hope is realistic. Like in the story of the preacher, we do NOT know what's in any of their hearts. Therein lies the problem--we haven't seen completely objective information and have little on which to base our opinions, since we are deaf to their inner thoughs.

[snapper]

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She has no registerable IQ.

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Where should the line be? How high of an IQ would one have to have before everyone would agree to kill someone?

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They don't even know if the her brain processes what light passes through her eyes.

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"They" don't know alot! No one knows but her what she can and can't comprehend.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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She has no registerable IQ.

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Where should the line be? How high of an IQ would one have to have before everyone would agree to kill someone?

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They don't even know if the her brain processes what light passes through her eyes.

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"They" don't know alot! No one knows but her what she can and can't comprehend.

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Here's a big problem I have with this whole case (I actually have several, but...).

There are certain basic, medically accepted tests that doctors use to determine if a person is in a Persistent Vegetative State, or PVS.

They include a functional magnetic resonance imaging and/or a positron emission tomography scan.

NEITHER of those have been done on Terri. To make the diagnosis that she is in a PVS without benefit of either tool is absolutely ludicrous!

Of course, what else should we expect of the doctor who made the examination that the courts used for their ruling? He spent a total of 45 minutes on the examination AND he's an advocate for euthanasia and assisted-suicide, AND he has written that he believes Alzheimer’s patients should be starved.

This entire episode has been nothing but a legal and medical screw up from the start.

[AJ]

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Where should the line be? How high of an IQ would one have to have before everyone would agree to kill someone?

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At least 100.

[ParrotHead]

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She has no registerable IQ

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Hey - some on here have no registerable IQ either but you don't see everyone standing in line to un-plug them!

Buckee - did you delete my other response?????

[buckee]

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Hey - some on here have no registerable IQ either but you don't see everyone standing in line to un-plug them!

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Hey, I'm standing by, with plug in hand

[slugshooter]

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Of course, what else should we expect of the doctor who made the examination that the courts used for their ruling? He spent a total of 45 minutes on the examination AND he's an advocate for euthanasia and assisted-suicide, AND he has written that he believes Alzheimer’s patients should be starved.

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What about this Doctor, nobody has put his thoughts and examinations out there. In fact, never even heard of him until I read Keith Olbermanns Blog entry.

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Actually, it once had such an individual, aman who, in October 2003, was appointed by a Florida court to spend 30 days reviewing every aspect of the Schaivo case— legal and medical (two areas in which he is fully accredited)— and then recommend to Governor Jeb Bush, how to proceed. He is Jay Wolfson, professor at the University of South Florida, a PhD in public health, with a law degree and I spoke with him on the Wednesday Countdown.

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OLBERMANN: Let me start with this news of the day, the governor's announcement that there is a neurologist who thinks that perhaps Mrs. Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state but might have been misdiagnosed and could be minimally conscious. Is that plausible to you, or is it a red herring?

WOLFSON: There are several physicians across the country who have expressed that very opinion. I'm not familiar with what he did nor when he did it, nor how he did it. I understand from what you just said that he did not actually evaluate nor examine Terri. People are going to have different opinions.

And honest people are going to differ about their opinions. The fact is we're dealing with 15 years worth of medical evidence and legal evidence that were admitted through the Florida judicial system, based on laws that were created by the legislature, rules of evidence in the Florida courts, rules of civil procedure and the guardianship law in particular, which over 15 years evolved with very carefully designed bipartisan political and religious cooperation.

And you're either going to believe the facts that have been accepted by the courts, using the standards of competent evidence and clear and convincing evidence, or you're not.

And there's a reason why you won't. The reason why you won't is because it's hard. For those of us who are parents, I've got three sons. It's incomprehensible for to us imagine what it's like for these really good— the Schiavos are really good, decent people. I've got to tell you. They're the people I grew up with in Chicago. Their kids are the kids I played with. These are fine, decent people. But I cannot imagine one of my sons or anybody's son in a position where they're no longer capable of interacting and the idea of them dying by pulling a tube. It's extraordinary.

But the evidence that was submitted and the process that was used throughout the Florida judicial system and the federal judicial system substantiated that information about her state and about the evidence that was used to establish her intentions.

OLBERMANN: In your term as guardian at law, as the person asked by the court to represent Terri Schiavo and not her husband and not her parents, as good people as they might be, just her, what was the core issue about her health that you thought you needed to understand and what did you find out about it?

WOLFSON: Well, I sat with Terri for— I had only a month to do this, and I had to review 30,000 pages of document: medical records, legal records, extraordinary amounts of information. I spent time with her family. I tried to get to know Terri indirectly, and I spent about 20 days when I was in town by her bedside, as many as four hours at a time.

I spent time with her parents, with her husband. And I held her hand, and I held her head and I looked in her eyes and I stroked her. And I played music for her, and I asked her to help me.

I was looking for some consistent pattern of responsiveness, some consistent evidence that she was responding, as opposed to reflexing. And the clinical data, the clinical information about persistent vegetative states is that it consists of waking periods and sleeping periods.

And during the waking periods, the eyes move, the eyes are open. People make noises. And some of those noises sound like cries and some of them sound like laughter and some of them are groans, which some of your listeners may have heard. But there was, as hard as I tried, I couldn't get a consistent responses. I couldn't solicit any evidence.

And again, going back to the data in the files, the medical evidence and the legal evidence, there was nothing to indicate that she was not in a persistent vegetative state, given the standards of evidence and the medical knowledge that we have. The best we can do.

Justice Rehnquist said in the Cruzan case that we've got good law. We've got to apply the good law as well as we can. And I extrapolate that and say we've got to take best science and the best medicine we have.

I've got tremendous respect for Governor Bush. He's a wise and conscientious man. In his heart, I know what he feels. I really do.

And the Schindlers are wonderful people. It's not about Governor Bush, and it's not about the Schindlers, and it's not about the decent people outside of the hospice, and it's not about the Florida legislature. It's not about the Florida courts. It's not about the United States Congress. It's not about the U.S. courts. This is about Terri. It's about what her intentions might have been.

And if you don't believe what Michael and others have said about what she expressed after two funerals of her family members, which would have been in context, who were on respirators and who died. And she said, "I don't want to be like that." If you don't believe that, then nothing is going to change your mind.

But if the evidence is credible, and it was deemed so through the legal process, as much as any of us would say, God -- I'm not saying -- people say, do you want Terri to die? Goodness, no. Any more than I want my mother to die or my children to die. You and I don't know each other. I don't want to you die.

But this is a family private matter. How do we resolve these terrible things? I just pray that in the end, Terri's interests will be served best through this process.

OLBERMANN: You investigated, as part of this, not just the medical but the legal and the husband. How much insurance money this was worth to the husband? The children outside the marriage, his relationship that ensued outside the marriage. The conflict with the in-laws. What were your conclusions about the bona fides and the goodness of Michael Schiavo?

WOLFSON: I found nothing in the evidence, nothing— and some of the people who have been presenting evidence recently saying that there's been abuse. They shared that evidence with me a year and a half ago, as well. And I've seen it rather recently again.

There's no evidence to support that she was abused. For 15 years, she hasn't had a bed sore. Ken Connors, who was the governor's attorney was a plaintiff's attorney who made a lot of success in nursing home -- nursing home injuries. She's never had a bed sore in 15 years.

For many years, Michael kept such good care of her that the nursing home staff tried to get a restraining order against him at one point, because he was demanding so much. I think she's been cared for very much by Michael.

And you know, the issue of his other relationship, I'm not going to pass judgment on anybody, Keith. That's not why I'm here. But, you know, just because I love my mother doesn't mean I can't love my wife. Nor does it mean that relationships I had with people that were very intimate years ago, make it impossible for me to continue to care for those people.

Michael is not a warm and fuzzy man. His parents, the Schindlers are, but that doesn't make him a bad guy.

OLBERMANN: Ultimately, when you were involved in this case, what were your recommendations to Governor Bush and would you give the same recommendations under these circumstances today?

WOLFSON: My recommendations were that additional swallowing tests and neurological tests should be performed for the purpose of resolving the dispute between the parties. Because the legal process and the medical process, I felt, had been competent and had met the standards of proof. But only if the parties agreed in advance as to how the results of those tests could be used.

If you'll look at my final report, we had a draft agreement. And we almost got there. At 11:50 p.m. on the 30th of November, Sunday night, before my report was due on the first, all of us were pretty much agreeing to walk into that room and talk about how we would do that.

Mr. Felos called me at 11:50, Michael's attorney. And he said, "Jay, I can't do it. I can't do it, because I'm challenging the law that appointed you, the constitutionality of it. And if I accept anything that you're proposing, then I am diluting my legal and constitutional challenge. I can't."

He was right in doing that legally. And as you know, the law was deemed unconstitutional and then everything I did was technically moot.

OLBERMANN: What about now? What would happen if someone said to you, we need your opinion on this and we need it in a hurry, what would it be?

WOLFSON: My opinion doesn't count. I'm just a guy. You know, I just attempted to use the modest legal skills and clinical and technical skills and scientific skills I have. And I brought to the table the issue of using good medicine, good science and good law.

This is not about me. It's not about anybody else. It's really about Terri.

OLBERMANN: And that, sir, is perhaps the best answer to the question, "what is your opinion" that I have heard yet in this case and the coverage of it.

[slugshooter]

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How come noone has mentioned yet that Michael Schiavo has requested an autopsy when Terri passes. Seems to me that if she had been abused by him and he was the cause of her being hospitalized, not to mention the fact that if every one of those doctors that says her cerebral cortex has liquified is lying and the autopsy 1.) Proves otherwise and 2.) Proves she was abused. Him authorizing an autopsy opens him up to criminal and civil charges. He is either sincere and not a liar and abuser or a complete idiot.

One other thing I was thinking about, all this talk about abuse and broken bones. How do we know those supposed injuries didn't come from the nurses at the hospice. How many times have you heard about patients dying or being abused from negligence in nursing homes or a hospice. It happens every day unfortunately. Maybe these nurses claiming abuse are the guilty parties and they are trying to shuffle blame on the husband because he is the bad guy right now.

I say at least give her some water though.

[wtnhunt]

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Her family is clinging to hopes that do not seem to be realistic from what I have heard. Sciavo in my opinion is in a state similar to hibernation in a bear. Her metabolism is so slow due to inactivity, that her body has managed to survive for an extended period despite not having the tube. She has not been active for so long her body likely is functioning at a slower rate than normal making for a very slow caloric burn rate in her body.

With no cerebral cortex, only a miracle granted by God would ever let her be physically able to ever recover from her vegetative state. I am pro life, but this to me is not living, and it is basically the husbands families word against her families in saying she would not want to continue as she has. Removing the tube is/was not killing, but is letting nature take its course in a sense.

It is a shame that the family could not come to an agreement without all the media interference. Too bad she did not have a living will. Think somehow the husband has been somehow made out to be something he may not be. If she had a living will and the parents still objected, I wonder how many of you still would be for intervening against her wishes.

[buckee]

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Whether she suffered abuse or not 15 years ago, it will never be detected by an autopsy 15 years after the fact.

A Police report was filed, that the officers who responded to the scene suspected spousal abuse, but it's a cold case file now, because the reason she was hospitalized was for other reasons other than injury.

An autopsy at this stage in the game, is not going to show anything, pertaining to 15 years ago, and Michael knows that.