waterfowler_gal Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert It's tragic and it's sad. No matter what state she is in she is still a living soul in my eyes. Truly it is over but God knows best-may she rest in peace. Everyone has their opinions and facts and beliefs. My heart and my prayers go out to Terri and the entire family. What a battle this entire deal was for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert I've learnt a lot from this case. I've learnt that the courts are not accountable to anyone, including God. I've learnt that it is OK to cheat on your wife if she is in a hospital and can't speak for herself. You are automatically protected from her divorcing you, because no-one will be appointed to speak on her behalf other than you. I've learnt that the meaning of life, is being redefined by doctors, lawyers and judges on the basis of professional opinions rather than facts. (there are too many unknowns, admitted by many honest, fine doctors) I've also learnt that there are few people who even care one way or the other. Some say it is over now, she is gone to a better place. I agree she is in a far better place, but the precedence and repercussions from the results of this case will be astronomical in out future. It's been a sad couple of weeks for man-kind in my opinion. My God forgive us all. I can't help thinking about my own back injuries, from a medical standpoint, even though it is far from what Terri was going through. When I was on compensation and finally went for my CAT scan, it came back OK, even though I still had much pain and shooting pains down my leg. My Compensation therapist wrote in her report, that there was no way I should be experiencing pain, since nothing showed up in the scan. (Even though the X-rays, taken a few months earlier, showed an injury). This case also brings to mind, the time my wife was hospitalized, because her uterus had burst and she had lost over half of her blood. She had an out-of-body experience, that was verified by the doctors and nurses, because she saw things in the operating room, that she couldn't have possibly seen, because she was near death and under anaesthetic. Her spirit however was quite alive and quite well indeed, it was just the ol' body that wasn't co-operating at the time. There are so many things, that man (especially doctors and scientists) just don't know, but presume to know, and then make decisions based on their so-called educated presumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert I think there is way too much of this "life support" nonsense going on! Doctors and then families are put into positions where they are trying to play God! Too much emphasis is placed on keeping someone "alive"! Let a person expire and forget all this other crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert When your talking "TOTAL" Life support, I tend to agree Orlan, but this was not the case with Terri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert [ QUOTE ] I've learnt a lot from this case. I've learnt that the courts are not accountable to anyone, including God. I've learnt that it is OK to cheat on your wife if she is in a hospital and can't speak for herself. You are automatically protected from her divorcing you, because no-one will be appointed to speak on her behalf other than you. I've learnt that the meaning of life, is being redefined by doctors, lawyers and judges on the basis of professional opinions rather than facts. (there are too many unknowns, admitted by many honest, fine doctors) I've also learnt that there are few people who even care one way or the other. Some say it is over now, she is gone to a better place. I agree she is in a far better place, but the precedence and repercussions from the results of this case will be astronomical in out future. It's been a sad couple of weeks for man-kind in my opinion. My God forgive us all. I can't help thinking about my own back injuries, from a medical standpoint, even though it is far from what Terri was going through. When I was on compensation and finally went for my CAT scan, it came back OK, even though I still had much pain and shooting pains down my leg. My Compensation therapist wrote in her report, that there was no way I should be experiencing pain, since nothing showed up in the scan. (Even though the X-rays, taken a few months earlier, showed an injury). This case also brings to mind, the time my wife was hospitalized, because her uterus had burst and she had lost over half of her blood. She had an out-of-body experience, that was verified by the doctors and nurses, because she saw things in the operating room, that she couldn't have possibly seen, because she was near death and under anaesthetic. Her spirit however was quite alive and quite well indeed, it was just the ol' body that wasn't co-operating at the time. There are so many things, that man (especially doctors and scientists) just don't know, but presume to know, and then make decisions based on their so-called educated presumptions. [/ QUOTE ] buckee, do you think the courts should have gotten involved then? If so, on what premises? I don't know why the husband never divorced who, nor do I really care, but I wouldn't call what he did cheating, based on the circumstances. I don't know all the "facts" here nor do I want to, I just think it is crazy the way some people are acting over this. Instances similiar to this happen EVERY DAY, but we NEVER hear about them. Did I ever tell ya'll my dad was on an IV that kept him alive, till we asked that it be disconnected, no you didn't, and why, because it was noones business but ours!!!!! And that's how this whole case should have been handled!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KSNimrod Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert Gator I'm sorry for the loss of your father. You may be one of the best qualified to weigh in on this topic. I think the Schiavo case began with an issue like this: When your family decided to disconnect your father's IV I assume it was a unanimous decision. What if your mother wanted one thing and the kids wanted another? In this case since there was no clear directive (i.e. living will or medical power of attorney) the court was the only place the parties could settle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert [ QUOTE ] Gator I'm sorry for the loss of your father. You may be one of the best qualified to weigh in on this topic. I think the Schiavo case began with an issue like this: When your family decided to disconnect your father's IV I assume it was a unanimous decision. What if your mother wanted one thing and the kids wanted another? In this case since there was no clear directive (i.e. living will or medical power of attorney) the court was the only place the parties could settle it. [/ QUOTE ] That was the wish of my dad, as relayed to me by my mom. That is also why I asked previuosly when does a parents "rights" to a child stop and the spouses begins, majority here said on the day they get married, so if that is the case, then the parents of Terri should have not had a say-so in her living or dying. And sorry, but the courts should be put to better use then deciding life or death in a case such as this, but that is my opinion. I think the problem with issues such as this, is that to many people stick their nose where it don't belong. But that is another subject all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert I'm sorry about your Dad Gator. How long did it take him to pass away ? None of my business of course, just curious. [ QUOTE ] buckee, do you think the courts should have gotten involved then? If so, on what premises? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I do, but I also think her parents pursued the wrong avenues through the courts from the start. They had a very, very inexperienced lawyer, who didn't have a clue what she was doing. What they should have done, was forget about their daughters Mental state, since that was so controversial, even between professionals. They should have gone to court to get a divorce for Terri, plain and simple. Her Husband is living in adultery with another woman and has 2 children by her. He has broken his wedding vows and Terri had every right Legally and morally to be divorced from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert buckee, took my dad 7 days................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert it's a SAD day for the U.S.A. We now stand for murdering the helpless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert [ QUOTE ] it's a SAD day for the U.S.A. We now stand for murdering the helpless... [/ QUOTE ] Assuming this is the first time a feeding tube has been removed, which is far from true. The only reason people are standing up and opposing this so much is because the family made a big stink about it. There have been probably tens of thousands if feeding tubes removed before this one and will be tens of thousands more removed. Of course, when you toss in sentencing the mentally handicapped to death and carrying it out, that's murdering the helpless also isn't it. The protesters will go home and probably will never protest another feeding tube removal, why, because no other case will get this much publicity. I just hope Terri didn't know what was going on outside the Hospice and the legal fighting going on around her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert Not many people, other than the family and friends, remember Karen Quinlan, who was unpluged at the age of 21, on April 15, 1975, after a lot of publicity. Of course that was 30 years ago. 30 years from now, few will remember, other than her family and friends, Terri Schiavo, who was unpluged at the age of 41, on March 31, 2005, after a lot of publicity. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert Sluggo and popgun are right, feeding tubes being removed is nothing new, probably happens more often that people are let to die than many might realize. This was just a situation where the media gave way too much attention. Calling this "murdering" the helpless is not really fitting in my opinion. Think there is a huge difference in letting someone who will never recover die and killing someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert [ QUOTE ] I'm sorry about your Dad Gator. How long did it take him to pass away ? None of my business of course, just curious. [ QUOTE ] buckee, do you think the courts should have gotten involved then? If so, on what premises? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I do, but I also think her parents pursued the wrong avenues through the courts from the start. They had a very, very inexperienced lawyer, who didn't have a clue what she was doing. What they should have done, was forget about their daughters Mental state, since that was so controversial, even between professionals. They should have gone to court to get a divorce for Terri, plain and simple. Her Husband is living in adultery with another woman and has 2 children by her. He has broken his wedding vows and Terri had every right Legally and morally to be divorced from him. [/ QUOTE ] If you feel the parents should have gotten a divorce FOR Terri, then I don't see how you can blame the courts for not getting involvled, sounds to me like the parents screwed up. As far as a divorce, my wife told me that the husband couldn't divorce Terri due to the state she was in, something having to do with her not being able to sign a decree maybe?? Still, I don't see how WE as a whole can judge the husband, the parents, or anyone. Saw a bumper sticker yesterday, and I quote " Only God can judge me" I think that pretty much sums it up right there. Oneida man, I guess you could call me and my family a murderer to, since we elected to let my father's drip be pulled so that he to could pass....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert [ QUOTE ] When your talking "TOTAL" Life support, I tend to agree Orlan, but this was not the case with Terri. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently it was total life support for her, she died after it was removed.So it was all that was keeping her alive. Some states do require both parties to agree to a divorce, dont know how that works in a case like this.If her parents didnt have the power to legally keep her on life suport then I wouldnt imagine legally theyd have the power to seek a divorce for her either. One thing you guys dont seem to get is she was dead 15 years ago untill the doctors intervened and placed the feeding tube into her.She would have died without it then and it wouldnt have been a cotroversy, it woulda been a natural death.She was given 15 yrs to show some signs of recovery, it didnt happen.How much more of a chance did she really need?Just because the power to save a life is there doesnt make it the best choice all the time.I hear the term murderer being thrown around.I hear the term Playing God being thrown around as well.Wasnt it playng god when they intervened in thee first place and stuck the tube in her?How can it be murder if it was her own body that shut down because it was unable to feed itself.Her time was up 15 yrs ago, her brain was fried then, all her body had to do was follow suit.They didnt allow it to hapen.Sometimes people should just leave well enough alone.We sat and watched my uncle die a few years ago.He was on oxygen and coulda been kept alive for days by artificial means.What woulda been the point, just so we could feel better knowing we did the "right thing". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: T. Schiavo,should the feeding tube be reinsert Horst, I agree with you on this bit of being kept "alive" for 15 years. The doctors should have let her go 15 years ago when this thing first happened! This playing God by doctors is not right at all! It was not "life" for that poor woman for the last 15 years! All it was was greed to NOT let pass on! Horrible how people can be so greedy with other peoples lives! Let go and move on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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