too_pointer Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I have seen many post in the last 5 years on people who think a certain cartridge is a better brush buster !! Is it a fact or fiction Is a heavier, slower bullet better than a faster, lighter bullet when it hits brush ?? What are your opinions ? too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbowhntr Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" I read an article many moons again in some publication in which they did a test on what they thought would be the best brush gun, under 75 yards. They set-up a target beyond some simulated brush. To simulate the brush they took a bunch of round dowells and lace them between two pieces of wood. Then they fired rounds through it to see how much they deviated from course and weighed the bullets after. At under 75yards the winner was the .35 Rem. Now for my preference from the gun closet. My .30-30 for the shorter brush shots, under 75 yards. I shoot the Remington Core-Lokt 170gr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" The real answer is that no gun can shoot reliably through brush. Find a hole and thread the needle with a fast handeling accurate rifle with either irons or a wide angle scope for greater field of view and target aquisition. The cartrige I leave up to you... Last...Pray... Shot my first deer, in the brush in Northern VA at about 60 yards doing just that...waiting for him to step in that one clear opening. I happened to be using a Ruger M77 in 6mm Remington with a 3x wide view scope i borrowed from my Dad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" Yes, a heavier bullet works best in the brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" No such thing as a bullet that goes good thru brush. I read an article not so long ago that stated smaller speedy well constructed bullets deflected less that most heavier bullets, so I do not really know what to believe. I have always considered a brush gun to be a small rifle that you can walk thru bushes with easily.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaCoyote Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" Fiction. Read several tests and in one a 45-70 fared worse than a 22-250. Any bullet can be deflected. Sorry. PS. Don't shoot the messenger if you disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" I don't believe in a "brush gun" to be honest. You either have a clear shot or you don't. But, if I were gonna put my money on something to bustthru some brush I would put my money on a 12 gauge slug gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" The term Bursh Gun is used to discribe a gun that is manurerable in thick cover. I'd take a light, anuverable SKS over a heavy 45/70 any day in "brush" for deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" My 300 Win. Mag would disagree...especially when it is pictured right with the nice 8 point it slammed through a brush pile... But yes, a brush gun is one that is easily handled in brushy situations. For my liking, when I am in real brushy country I like my 336 30/30 with 180 grain bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaCoyote Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] I have seen many post in the last 5 years on people who think a certain cartridge is a better brush buster !! Is it a fact or fiction Is a heavier, slower bullet better than a faster, lighter bullet when it hits brush ?? What are your opinions ? [/ QUOTE ] C'mon guys the original question was cartridge not gun. You all get big fat F's for not reading the question!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" There is no such thing as a "brush gun"! All bullets are deflected if they hit anything! That term is the most misleading thing when it comes to any cartridge! No bullet is going to fly straight through some brush! All fiction! If anyone has shot a deer through some brush, it was plain blind luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" Mostly good answers. Even the 50 BMG is deflected when it encounters obsticles. The cartridge with the best chance of getting through brush to the target is a 12 ga 3.5" magnum or a 10 ga 3.5" magnum loaded with buckshot. Odds are that a few pellets will make it through the cover and into the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" A pointed bullet. I don't really know what to think of a "brush gun". I agree with John about having a clear shot or no shot. But, if I were to have a brush gun, I'd go with a pointed bullet, not something flat like a .30-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" I watched a report on brush guns on the Outdoor Channel a few years back. They shot different guns through several sheets of plywood that were angled. Of all the guns they tested the 30-30 won. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] I watched a report on brush guns on the Outdoor Channel a few years back. They shot different guns through several sheets of plywood that were angled. Of all the guns they tested the 30-30 won. Ranger [/ QUOTE ] But what was the standard deviation from point of aim? It is fine, and accurate, to say the 30-30 fared best in one test and a 45-70 fared better in another test...but the real question isn't what was best but is that best good enough to ethicaly shoot at an animal through brush? The answer is no. Couldn't find the article I had that listed the deviations but no cartrige in any test I have read remained within the vital diameter of a deer sized target reliably after striking a twig of less that 1/4 inch diameter. Therefore, refer to my orriginal post, John's post, yote's post and the others that tell you find a clear shot or don't shoot. HRRM...that sounds kinda preachy...sorry...not meant to just can't think how to reword it... no offence intended to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" How about a bullet with brush trimmers on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't believe in a "brush gun" to be honest. You either have a clear shot or you don't. But, if I were gonna put my money on something to bustthru some brush I would put my money on a 12 gauge slug gun. [/ QUOTE ] i could'nt agree with you more tedicast my 12ga.is by my side whenever i do stalking type hunt. [/ QUOTE ] You guys said what I was going to. It only makes sence that buckshot would have a better chance of making through. If there are more projectiles, your chance of penitration are higher. I would have to say 12 ga. 3 1/2 00 buck would be the best brush cartridge. JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted March 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" I agree with most of the replies. There isn't a brush-buster. If you hit a deer in brush, your bullet probably made it through untouched.!! I won't say I haven't shot through some brush, probably not the best thing to do. The best thing is to wait for a clear shot, or not shoot at all too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" Well I live and hunt in the bush and if you are looking for a light,easy to carry rifle hard to beat an old winchester model 94-they've killed thousands of moose and deer up here. Myself I shoot a .270 and hold out till I'm shooting at deer not trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] shoot(ing) through saplings to take deer . This is risky and unethical . This should only be excused when occurring on accident and should never be done intentionally . [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblueraptor Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" my idea would be of a gun that is light, short, holds mulitple rounds(because if it is really thick your prolly going to hit brush if you wanted to or not) open sights for fast aligning, low recoil for faster follow up shots that being said i would go with thw winchester or marlin 30-30 i haven't hunted with either of these since i was young but know as well as any one else they can handle the task and fit all the requirements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] I'll take a shot through some brush at a animal if the occasion presents itself. [/ QUOTE ] That is your choice...I personaly don't want to risk a wounded and lost animal...If you have patience and set your stand up with an eye for shooting lanes you should get a clear shot at some time. If you don't only you can decide weather or not to take the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" [ QUOTE ] The heavier the bullet the harder it is to deflect. I'll take a shot through some brush at a animal if the occasion presents itself. [/ QUOTE ] I have seen lots of tests done and the heavy bullets get deflected just as much as the light ones! I will not take a shot through the brush! If I don't have an opening, I won't shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7th Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" I will say that there is not bullet that will bust brush, any thing will move the path of the bullet, even air. When the bullet hits something it will stry from its path and not hit ware it was ment too. With this said, most bullets will hit near this point if the first hit is with in feet of the target, going over 10 ft or so increases to the point that you may hit or not but it will not be near ware you was meaning it too. There are so many things that you have to look at in talking about this that we don't have the time but there are luck shoots and then there are long blood trails. That is what shooting though brush is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Re: \" Brush guns \" The best brush caliber is any caliber in the hands of a man with enough restraint to not take any shot obstructed by brush. Bullets seldom deflect limbs..............don't matter if it's a .220 Swift at 4200 fps or a 985 grain 10 ga. rifled slug............if your intended target is much beyond 10 feet of any (very small) limb you may hit, you're going to miss or cripple. Just don't take a poor, obstructed shot and you are holding the best brush gun there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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