Ravin R10 man Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Yup, now the very foundation of our country's laws cant be allowed into the deliberation process...No wonder were so screwed up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... Humanism, which in it's own right is a religion, teaches that every person can set thier own moral codes and live by them. If we do not have a standard then where do we get our morals? Aswer: We don't. Within the Bible there is the moral code that man was meant to live by. Without it, there is anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] Humanism, which in it's own right is a religion, teaches that every person can set thier own moral codes and live by them. If we do not have a standard then where do we get our morals? Aswer: We don't. Within the Bible there is the moral code that man was meant to live by. Without it, there is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] I believe everyone has some type of morals that they are born with. People just know when things are right or wrong, look at a toddler, they have no idea what the bible or morals are, but they know when they are or have done something wrong. It is up to the parents to reinforce those morals. Saying that the bible is humanities moral code is like saying that non Christians have no morals, Christians and the religious right do not own morality, I have met atheists and "non- christians" with more scruples and morals than some so called holier than thou, self righteous "Christians". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] I believe everyone has some type of morals that they are born with. [/ QUOTE ] I dont really agree. I think that morals are a learned part of life. Many now a days DO NOT know right from wrong. I had heard about this on the news last night and think it is another step in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... I always thought guilt was supposed to be based on the evidence the state had against you anyway, its the prosecutions job to prove your guilty, not the bibles, so I guesse I dont really see the problem with this.I actually dont even see how the bible could be used to prove guilt in the first place.Anyone want to clear this up for me, Im a little confused by this post I guesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KSNimrod Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... Many times jurors will use scripture not as a means of determining guilt or innocence but rather as a means of determining a just reponse to the evidence presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] I always thought guilt was supposed to be based on the evidence the state had against you anyway, its the prosecutions job to prove your guilty, not the bibles, so I guesse I dont really see the problem with this.I actually dont even see how the bible could be used to prove guilt in the first place.Anyone want to clear this up for me, Im a little confused by this post I guesse [/ QUOTE ] FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT! Yes - you're suppose to be proven guilty but all this does is allow yet one more loophole to the appeal process and once again proves that our judicial system all but promotes criminal activity and allows escapre routes for anyone with a savvy lawyer. Again - you want to address crime, start with the courts and liberal judges and work your way down. As far as morals goes - there are no morals observed these days - don't even bring the subject up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Humanism, which in it's own right is a religion, teaches that every person can set thier own moral codes and live by them. If we do not have a standard then where do we get our morals? Aswer: We don't. Within the Bible there is the moral code that man was meant to live by. Without it, there is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] I believe everyone has some type of morals that they are born with. People just know when things are right or wrong, look at a toddler, they have no idea what the bible or morals are, but they know when they are or have done something wrong. It is up to the parents to reinforce those morals. Saying that the bible is humanities moral code is like saying that non Christians have no morals, Christians and the religious right do not own morality, I have met atheists and "non- christians" with more scruples and morals than some so called holier than thou, self righteous "Christians". [/ QUOTE ] You should teach in a place where parents don't teach morals. I do. You talk about the infant knowing when it does something wrong. They don't know anything is bad usless they have been punished for doing it. I have a cousin that used to say the "F word" when he was about 18 months old, his parents thought it was cute and never corrected him. They taught him that it was a good word. He got kicked out of two daycare centers, preschool and kindergarden. My point-kids learn morals. The belief that they are born with them just doesn't hold water. As far as athiest and morals, they just didn't jump out of their butt's, they learned them from someone. Like it or not, beilieve it or not, in the western hemisphere the bible is where morals come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] I believe everyone has some type of morals that they are born with. People just know when things are right or wrong, look at a toddler, they have no idea what the bible or morals are, but they know when they are or have done something wrong. [/ QUOTE ] That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in here. AMEN johnf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I believe everyone has some type of morals that they are born with. People just know when things are right or wrong, look at a toddler, they have no idea what the bible or morals are, but they know when they are or have done something wrong. [/ QUOTE ] That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard in here. AMEN johnf [/ QUOTE ] Oh I've heard dumber...like that last response [ QUOTE ] Saying that the bible is humanities moral code is like saying that non Christians have no morals, Christians and the religious right do not own morality, I have met atheists and "non- christians" with more scruples and morals than some so called holier than thou, self righteous "Christians". [/ QUOTE ] I agree, I have never been to Church when I was growing up, nnot once,I have read the bible but didnt do it untill the age of 18, I have great morals, as do my parents....to be honest Buckee your last statment proves everything Slug posted and then some. I really cant believe you posted that.......just goes to show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... Hey slugger, maybe you misunderstood what is being said in this post. Morality has it's roots from God's word. I didn't say you had to be Christian to have some moral values. The values you have today, if indeed they are moral, have their roots in the bible. How those morals were passed on to you, I have no idea. Morality alone can't save anyone anyway, it is however a code by which we should base sound law and sound judgments. You sure seem to be able to interpret a lot into the little things I say ...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Sauceman Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... IMHO... I believe it everyone traced where they were taught morals, that the cornerstone to those teachings were brought forth by a Christian. i.e. Grandparent, parent and so fourth... You just don't get morals on your own..Like everything we learn...Morals are not just something we are born with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] You sure seem to be able to interpret a lot into the little things I say ...LOL [/ QUOTE ] That's funny because I hadn't even responded to what you said yet. I will say this though, I know where you stand in your religious beliefs Buckee, and that is your right, and I respect it and I don't tell you you are wrong or go on a rant about what you type being "drivel", but I do not get the same respect from you, you have called my posts regarding my religious beliefs "drivel" and my latest one dumb. My final statement is this. I stopped going to church because of the hypocrisy and attitudes, and I have not read one post in this room from anyone regarding religion that either would cause me to want to go back to church or believe that anything has changed between those who take the bible literally and those who don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... I'm sorry slugger, I shouldn't have called your post dumb. I get carried away in these conversations sometimes and need to chose my words more carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] I'm sorry slugger, I shouldn't have called your post dumb. I get carried away in these conversations sometimes and need to chose my words more carefully. [/ QUOTE ] Uneducated or misinformed would have been accurate. Saying that infants are born with morals is just about on the same level as the Nazi's believing that if a child never heard language they would speak latin. (true story) They did experiments all babies learned the languages they heard, the ones that never heard any language all died befor the age of 3. Psyc 1013 freshman year. Not equating you with a Nazi sluggo, just pointing out the similarities and shortfalls of the a similar opinion on learned behaviors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: Colorado court rules that the bible..... [ QUOTE ] I always thought guilt was supposed to be based on the evidence the state had against you anyway, its the prosecutions job to prove your guilty, not the bibles, so I guesse I dont really see the problem with this.I actually dont even see how the bible could be used to prove guilt in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] You got it Buddy! Who cares if it was the basis for laws, the verdict is supposed to come from the presented evidence. [ QUOTE ] Many times jurors will use scripture not as a means of determining guilt or innocence but rather as a means of determining a just reponse to the evidence presented. [/ QUOTE ] So the jurors are not smart enough to make up their own mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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