tedicast Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Kevin Harvicks crew chief Todd Barrier, lost the appeal on his 4 race suspension.Here is a link. Commision denies Berriers' suspension appeal Her is a statement from Richard Childress. Childress' statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaDeerHunter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld i think a four race suspendion was a little harsh, maybe 2. But if that is what it takes for them to stop trying to to or cheating or whateer then that is what it takes. Whether it be a popilar driver like JJ, Gordon or junior that gets the hard end of it, or a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Can't say I really agree with this ruling, when Team Hendrick had there's lifted. I think they should haved lifted this suspension and started with a clean slate, with the understanding that behavior of this type wasn't going to be tolerated any longer I think the fine and the loss of points got NASCAR's point across why carry it to the extreme if they were'nt going to be fair across the board,,,,they should have moved on and left that messed up weekend behind....JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Don't agree either, especially penalizing Kevin. But, time to move on. Kevin is used to being up against the wall and I believe him and his team will overcome this. The good thing about the race for them is they had probably the fastest car on the track so they have come along way since last years woes. Russell, not sure what you meant with this... "Whether it be a popilar driver like JJ, Gordon or junior that gets the hard end of it, or a rookie." Kevin is the 3rd most popular driver the last 2 years behind Junior (in his own league...lol) and Jeff Gordon. Penalizing him surely shows it doesn't matter how popular you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] and Jeff Gordon. Penalizing him surely shows it doesn't matter how popular you are. [/ QUOTE ] OH MAN here we go with they Gordon terrorising again,,,,,,Hey people he just that good... ,,,look at his winning percentage and I think he has as many fans as any other driver out there. Why is it Gordon gets put into everyone of these so called debates..... I'm a Gordon Fan but that doesn't mean I agree with what NASCAR does all the time...and as for driver talent I would say that Gordon has more than proven his ability to contend with any driver out there today,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] and Jeff Gordon. Penalizing him surely shows it doesn't matter how popular you are. [/ QUOTE ] OH MAN here we go with they Gordon terrorising again,,,,,,Hey people he just that good... ,,,look at his winning percentage and I think he has as many fans as any other driver out there. Why is it Gordon gets put into everyone of these so called debates..... I'm a Gordon Fan but that doesn't mean I agree with what NASCAR does all the time...and as for driver talent I would say that Gordon has more than proven his ability to contend with any driver out there today,,,,, [/ QUOTE ] Yeah.....what he said! VH, i think he just mentioned Gordon because of Him being 2nd most popular driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld No comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted March 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] No comment. [/ QUOTE ] Thats a first!!! You feeling ok Chrud??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] VH, i think he just mentioned Gordon because of Him being 2nd most popular driver. [/ QUOTE ] You got it MH! Don't know why he got anything else out of that. Dang Jeff Gordon fans are so paranoid! lol! No denying JG's talent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Yeah, fine. I didn't want to post what I had typed, I would have been accused of comparing it to Junior again......but, I'll do it anyway, for my fans. NASCAR couldn't lift Berrier's suspension. It would take them back out of their position of power. Let me explain.... NASCAR looked spineless when they gave Tony Stewart VERY MINOR fines/penalties for both punching Vickers and also for his mid-season massacre last year. It made them look like they didn't have the "control" in situtations like that. Talladega, fall 2005. Dale Earnhardt Jr whoops the field fairly and squarely to win the race with a legal car. Everything about the points he earned was legal. He let a "bad" word slip in Victory Lane. Heck, I say it several times a day and think nothing of it. What is NASCAR to do? They have no power or control in these situtations, and will be accused of favortism. So, the "right" thing to do is take away points he EARNED in the RACE for a minor slip AFTER the RACE. 25 points and $10,000. AH HA! NASCAR is back in control! Or are they? Fast forward to Las Vegas of this year. Jimmie Johnson wins the race with an ILLEGAL car. Kyle Busch finishes second with an ILLEGAL car. Kevin Harvick's qualifying time was disallowed because of an illegal part. However, he finished the race with a LEGAL car. So, what is the right and powerful thing for NASCAR to do? Give the two crew cheifs that had illegal cars a small slap on the wrist. Act bold and suspend them, but get it overturned. No big deal, it was only 2 races. Suspending a crew cheif for a month after he FIXED the probelm from qualifying and finished the race with a legal car. That sounds about right. NASCAR finally started doing things correctly by suspending the crew cheifs. I didn't agree with Harvick's, I thought a big fine would have been better since he did change it and finish the race (after starting 42nd) with a perfectly legal car. But, the consistencies were way out of whack. Illegal race cars only got a fraction of the penalty as a legal race car did. So how does this situtation get fixed? Lift the suspensions of the clowns that had illegal cars and keep the suspension for the guy that had a legal race car. It makes no sense. NASCAR is digging it's own grave. It took heat for showing favoritism. They make a ridiculus fine for Dale Jr. They show SOME consistency by suspending all crew cheifs because the didn't pass inspection. But, they really screwed up because, in my opinion, they had the penalties backwards.* They took flack for showing favoritism because Hendrick's penalties were substancially less and that the penalites weren't consistent with each other. Now, they are going to get a TON of heat for hardly doing anything to Hendrick after finishing first and second with illegal cars. Back to my original statement about power. Had NASCAR allowed Berrier's penalty to be overturned, they would have been royally accused of being powerless and spineless in situtations like this. They HAD to keep Berrier's suspension to give them "some" of their power back. *IF Berrier was to be suspended, it shouldn't have been so severe. Yes, his car didn't past post-qualifying inspection. First, it shouldn't have even gotten past pre-qualifying inspection. He should be fined heavily because he tried to cheat. He went back, fixed the problem and finished the race with a perfectly legal car. No points or suspensions should have been handed out. Berrier's attempt to cheat was caught before the race, when points are actually handed out. Since there is no real "reward" for qualifying, why take away points he and his team have earned throught the RACE season? Why suspend his crew cheif if he made the car right? A big fine, say $250,000 would have done it. I can't hold the 5's crew cheif to much credit. Some, but the problem should have been caught in pre-race inspection also. Since it wasn't and helped the 5 car, I say 25 points, a 1 race suspension and a $250,000 fine. Chad Knaus has zero respect from me. It seems a lot of folks keep overlooking that he even got caught during the race making illegal adjustments. He had the guys working on the rear of the car pull the right side out in front of the wheel. So much so that NASCAR made them push it back in. They had gone over the tolerance for that adjustment. Plus, he knows EXACTLY what wedge adjustments do to a car. He knew they were lowering the car too much and did nothing about it. He claimed it to be a faulty part, but NASCAR inspected the part and found nothing wrong with it. What is so hard to figure out? He helped make the car go out of spec (twice) and that led to an illegal car winning the race. 25 points and $35,000 is fair for that? No way. 50 points, no make that 75 points. That would have dropped them from 1st to about 16th place. $500,000 fine. Heck, that team made over $400,000 in that race, it would only be like a $100,000 fine. Plus, suspend him 4 races. Make them NOT want to cheat again. I can almost guarantee you that there will be even more testing of the grey area now that Chad Knaus got NOTHING for an illegal car that won the race. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld James7xChamp3,,,, SORRY, I picked you excerpt,,,,but it seems every time something funny happens in NASCAR Gordons name is brought up,,,this I can't figure out, the guy drives his heart out, and proves himself time and time again to be one of the best on the track. I didn't mean anything personal on your part just wanted to know why everyone finds the need to relate every situation it seems to Jeff Gordon,,,,I may be wrong, it might just be me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iabow Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Well said Churd. The ones that lie and deny get off and the one that admitted the truth got to take it. Nascar is losing my respect, it seems a few drivers are their whiping boys for the others. Thats not saying that they don't deserve it sometimes but it should go not for a few but all. Those who cry the loudest get their way, and when the truth is accounted for the hammer falls, what a crock. To say the lest I don't agree with nascar on this at all, all should be punished but like Churd said it's about power. Anyways GO #29 Team and RCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld OH NOOOO..... here we go again!!!!!!!!!..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Hey Vh...........it's just you! lol! I was just showing where Harvick finished in the Most Popular Driver vote the last couple years. Gordon happened to be 2nd so I had to mention him. Actually, it's a compliment to him......and his fans! Very well said Chrud. NASCAR lost my respect long ago with their inconsistency. Sometimes you wonder if they even have a clue. I just pray they don't screw with the truck series! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] Hey Vh...........it's just you! lol! I was just showing where Harvick finished in the Most Popular Driver vote the last couple years. Gordon happened to be 2nd so I had to mention him. Actually, it's a compliment to him......and his fans! Very well said Chrud. NASCAR lost my respect long ago with their inconsistency. Sometimes you wonder if they even have a clue. I just pray they don't screw with the truck series! [/ QUOTE ] We're cool...... I just misunderstood what your meaning was thats all...sorry I have to agree NASCAR is really blowing it right off the bat......it's getting as bad as allof the blown calls in the NHL and NFL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iabow Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Maybe the crews need a red flag they can throw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld chrud, that was an excellent post concerning everything everyone has been saying about this subject. I think Harvick is the type of driver that will want to win more because of this. watch out for him this sunday, he is gonna be rollin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld maybe they should tell jimmy & chad they can't play anymore!!!! .....just run em out like they did spencer..... maybe that would be fair....geezzz..... too many half truths and bias info about this subject, so i will just shut-up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted April 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld [ QUOTE ] too many half truths and bias info about this subject, so i will just shut-up.... [/ QUOTE ] The #48, and the #5 finished the race with cars that were not legal, their crew chiefs suspensions were over turned. The #29 car starts and finished the race 100% legal, Berrier gets suspended for 4 races. Those are facts not half truths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld It's almost like you don't quite understand that Jimmie and Kyle had illegal cars, Deldeer. I get the impression that you feel they did nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld look... like i said before we could debate this to the end of days, but they came down so hard on berrier because he was running his smart-aleck mouth to the officials, you dont tell them....quote; "now that you caught me, you won't catch me next time, & i will do it again" come on, even richard said he should have shut his mouth. and it is not that i don't think they did anything wrong, they did. however it is such a grey area on those cars, and that bolt was broke, they pleaded their case & won. nascar knew that was to harsh of a penalty for a car height violation. look at past penalties for the same infraction. and as far as the fenders go....watch a race sometime & watch them pull on the fenders as they go around the cars. you have to be looking for it & you will see how many do it.........it just seems to me that some people dislike him so much, that they think he should get the harshes penalties known to man.........we will see if you are as vocal when they get someone else...im done with this......again....( will wait for bristol !!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld NASCAR inspected the "broken" bolt and said it was in perfect shape. I guess if you play dumb you can get away with anything. Talk about favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld Not to question anyone here but does anyone happen to have the link or site that would refer to this broken bolt ???? Last I heard or read was that NASCAR inspected the #48 throughly and found nothing mechanically wrong was found and that the penalty would stand until the apeal was heard and furthur rulings would come from that..... As for the #5 I will stand by what I said earlier in this debate...that NASCAR past this car through pre-race inspection, and amde the big boo boo, so I don't in my opinion call this a illegal car since NASCAR cleared it for race time, and this is something that can't be changed during a race by the team,,,,so in my opinion thats on NASCAR.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Berriers Suspension Upheld I wouldn't hold much against the 5's chief for their car being too high. That was NASCAR's fault. Not sure who said it first, but I heard several times that the bolt was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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