Guest kracey Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 I am interested in doing a little dove or crow hunting or something I could use for squirrel. I want a semi-automatic in a small caliber like the .410 or 28 guage. Any ideas or suggestion on what guage to use etc.? also, something fairly cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice .410 or a 28 might be too small for crow, unless you can get them really close. I'd suggest a 20 gauge. I use a 20 almost exclusively for dove, rabbit, and pheasant. Good, cheap 20 gauge, I'd recommend the Remington 1100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] .410 or a 28 might be too small for crow, unless you can get them really close. I'd suggest a 20 gauge. I use a 20 almost exclusively for dove, rabbit, and pheasant. Good, cheap 20 gauge, I'd recommend the Remington 1100. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that a .410 or 28 gauge might be too small for hunting Crows. I like using a .410 3" for Squirrels, but a 20 gauge would be better for Crows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I agree with the .20 ga. It will fit more of your hunting needs. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil hunter Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice You should definetly use at least a 20 gauge for crows. A 410 would probably work for the other stuff you said, but it's still not the best choice.(in my opinion). You should check out the rem. 11-87 sportsman guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I would stick with 20 ga and up for the greater payload capacity for crows. The small gauges are harder to reliably connect with. Its not that there is more power in a 20, 12, or even a 10 ga, its about amount of payload. Each pellet in the pattern of a .410 has the same power as a pellet in a 10 ga pattern when they exit the bore at the same speed. Its just that there are so many more of them in the 10 ga's pattern. The 410 bore or the 28 ga will be fine for dove and quail. If you want something cheap, get a 12 ga. Small autoloaders are anything but cheap. Most of them are skeet or sporting clay guns and are over $900. Charles Daly has a 28 ga semi for $459 (MSRP). You can get a pump chambered for either one. Remington and Mossberg make pumps in 410 and Remington has the 28 ga 870. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kracey Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Alright, Thanks for your input. AJ I didnt know you lived so close to me. I live in Woodstock VA about an hour from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice You are very welcome. Yep, I saw that. I was out your way scouting in the GWNF. You will have to join us in the Sporting Clay Shoot. It was going to happen tomorrow but we may need a boat to get from station to station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ketchum Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Go with the 20 the ammo for the 410 or the 28 is outrageous. If you check Wal Mart enough you'll find a beretta 20 on sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Get a 12 gauge! Then you can hunt everything from dove to goose!!! If you buy a pump with a rifled barrel you can even hunt deer with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kracey Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I own a 12 guage it came with 3 different chokes. I was just think that would be a little bit big for something like a dove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] I was just think that would be a little bit big for something like a dove. [/ QUOTE ] Feed it some 7/8 oz loads. They have very little recoil and are super deadly on doves when the shooter does their thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kracey Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Alright, I'll give that a try. What size shot? and also which choke tube? I have: A turkey choke (but not that one obvisouly), Imp., Mod., or full? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice A friend of mine just bought a 20 gauge Berreta autoloader at Walmart. It is all black, 26" barrel, for $300. I'm not sure of the model, but I was really surprised by the feel of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] What size shot? and also which choke tube? [/ QUOTE ] For doves, I use #7.5 or #8 shot. Choke tube selection is determined by how far you are shooting. If they are only giving you 30 to 40 yard shots, I like modified, improved modified, or even full choke. If they are flying under 35 yards, I like improved cylinder or modified. That's one of hte biggest benefits of a o/u or sxs shotgun, you can use different chokes. One of my favorite combos is improved cylinder for the first shot and improved modified for the second shot. If I miss on the first shot the second shot will be farther away. choke tubes range from most open to tightest: cylinder skeet imroved cylinder light modified modified improved modified full extra full super full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Kracey, if you are buying a new shotgun, you usually get at least 3 different chokes with it. Imp. Mod. and full. You can get along with these by changing your shells. When I bought my Beretta I got 5. Imp. mod. and cylinder, along the with usual 3. You can always add these if you think you need them. You might very know this already, but some don't LOL. too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice All my buddies shoot doves with a 12. One guy uses an 1100 with a fixed full choke, (I literally watched a dove vaporize when he my buddy let it get too close) another guy uses a 1100 with a fixed modified. My other buddy uses a Winchester, another buddy uses a Beretta 391.....All sissy 12 gauges. lol. j/k. I get teased a lot because I'm the only guy that uses a 20 in our group. They call my Benelli a "popgun." Anyway, a 12 guage does fine on doves with little 7/8 oz loads of 8's or 7's. If you can get your doves within 30 yards, go with an Improved Cylinder choke, if your doves are passing shots out further than 30 yards, I'd go with a modified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] Go with the 20 the ammo for the 410 or the 28 is outrageous. If you check Wal Mart enough you'll find a beretta 20 on sale. [/ QUOTE ] I'll disagree with this one....I have owned several 28's the ammo has never costed more than the "other" stuff. Reload your own and its even better I have agreat little 11/16 load if anyone wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] I'll disagree with this one....I have owned several 28's the ammo has never costed more than the "other" stuff. Reload your own and its even better I have agreat little 11/16 load if anyone wants [/ QUOTE ] Yes, reloading will save a lot in costs in the 28 and 410. But for factory ammo, its not the same price. Actually, 12 ga has the cheapest factory ammo. If you are looking at target ammo, 12 and 20 are about the same. You can find 12 ga and 20 ga ammo cheaper in some "promotional ammo". Remington Gun Club ammo is $3.60/box. Look at 28 ga and 410 bore from Winchester or Remington (AA or STS) they are $6.45 per box. Field loads are even higher difference, Federal Premiums Hi-Brass field loads in 12 ga are $9.99 and in 28 ga they are $12.99. Thats 33% higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I don't know about your prices, but the .28 and .410 loads in all the stores around here are very pricey too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I havnt looked in a long while due to reloading..........I always bought by the case as well, shells are pretty cheap around here it seems to me. But there going up fast...as is all reloading stuff it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice Aaron--I see Dicks has Remingon STS on sale for 4.48 a box, 12's and 20's. Is that a good price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice To be honest Chris I have NO idea...havnt bought target loads in so long. It sounds like a good one to me though, depending on how much shooting your gonna due this summer I'd look at a case Dicks/galyans is norm. about a buck higher than else where. On sale though Im not so shure. I bet I havnt shot a box of factory loaded shells at targets in two years(except for matches). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice I PM'd AJ, and the boss says it's a decent price. I'm going to head over there and get me some. Gonna pick up a diaphram too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbonhunter Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Re: Shotgun advice [ QUOTE ] I PM'd AJ, and the boss says it's a decent price. I'm going to head over there and get me some. Gonna pick up a diaphram too. [/ QUOTE ] I doubt realtree would appreciate my response to this.........Mam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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