TreeStandBowHunter Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Yeah, lord knows I need prayed for too Well, I don't agree or dis-agree. It is obvious that all this is happening because of his popularity not just because of who he was...IMO. See that's what happens in this world. Just like the shivo case. It wasn't neccessary what was happening to her, it was the publicity that her parents were getting that made it out to be what it was. Again, not trying to change subjects here but this is sorta like the same thing here in certain cases. Hey, if they want to air time on this guy, so be it. I am at work anyway so I have no TV here. As long as they don't interupt my TV shows at night , I could care less anymore what they show. The whole thing is a dog and pony show anyway if you ask me I heard he wasn't even embalmed ... BTW, I bet this doesn't happen when Billy Grahm dies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? I agree. They dragged that out for too long. And I feel the same as longcarbine. The Pope was once quoted as crediting his salvation to the "Black Madonna". WHAT????????????????????????????????? Gimme a break! And yeah, I am sure Billy Graham won't get the same noteriety. But he wouldn't want it anyway. (Too much pomp and circumstance ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KSNimrod Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? TSBH I agree with you on the Billy Graham deal. By the way, thanks for the posting you do about the casualties in Iraq. I live not too far from Fort Riley in Kansas and there have been several soldiers from here killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? Here you go. I'm probibly going irritate some folks here, but it wouldn't be the first time. There are about 1 billion Catholics out there in the world. They've got a lot of money and a lot of tv's. The pope's funeral gets ratings. Yes, he was popular, yes he did some good things. But right now for most of the networks it's all about the Benjamins. $$$$$ For the other 6 odd billion people in the world the pope was just another religous leader, no better than Billy Graham, or Jimmy Swaggart. (ok, better than Swaggart) I imagine there are a lot more people today that are saved because of Billy Graham than because of the pope. Sorry, JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] There are about 1 billion Catholics out there in the world. They've got a lot of money and a lot of tv's. The pope's funeral gets ratings. Yes, he was popular, yes he did some good things. But right now for most of the networks it's all about the Benjamins. $$$$$ [/ QUOTE ] johnf, I couldn't agree with you more on this particular statement. The big bucks aside though, even the fact that about 1/6 of the world's population is Catholic DOES indeed make the story this worthy of news---it's certainly more worthy of coverage than a royal wedding or Britney Spears' or Paris Hilton's personal lives. Though I'm not a Catholic, I do know that John Paul II's leadership in the Roman Catholic church helped to spread Christianity to parts of the world that had been untouched by the gospel. It hasn't really been emphasized at all in the coverage, but that accomplishment to me is remarkable. He also was a leader in the fight to end communism, and it fell in the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, East Germany, etc, etc. during his papacy. His message of hope, love, and freedom helped to end the oppression of millions. Though I believe salvation through faith in Christ is our free gift and good works are not a requirement--I cannot deny that John Paul II, a man of God, used the Word of God to make the world a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? The problem I have with the whole ordeal....people attribute and practically worshiped HIM....thats wrong, he is not Christ, but he was just a man in a leadership position. he was a very good man, and worked for many good things for humanity..CREDIT him for that yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] The problem I have with the whole ordeal....people attribute and practically worshiped HIM....thats wrong, he is not Christ, but he was just a man in a leadership position. he was a very good man, and worked for many good things for humanity..CREDIT him for that yes! [/ QUOTE ] Could not agree more. Not to take anything away from the pope, as he was a good man, but he was only a man. Dont think going as far as to nearly worshipping the man will be looked well upon in the eyes of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Realtree Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? To me it is all relative to a person's influence, following, and the history of that position. If a President was to die in office, there would be just as much coverage. Yes, he was just a man. But he also was the leader of the world's largest religion. A religion that has influence in almost every corner of the world (morally and politically). I can't think of one human being on earth that has that amount of influence. Times have changed. And there are certainly folks that don't care. But just the history of this position is newsworthy and when you have a one pass away, it is indeed a rare event. Now, if you want to talk about useless and endless TV coverage: A Royal Wedding The OJ Trial The Jackson Trial Paris Hilton (Any coverage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] To me it is all relative to a person's influence, following, and the history of that position. If a President was to die in office, there would be just as much coverage. Yes, he was just a man. But he also was the leader of the world's largest religion. A religion that has influence in almost every corner of the world (morally and politically). I can't think of one human being on earth that has that amount of influence. Times have changed. And there are certainly folks that don't care. But just the history of this position is newsworthy and when you have a one pass away, it is indeed a rare event. Now, if you want to talk about useless and endless TV coverage: A Royal Wedding The OJ Trial The Jackson Trial Paris Hilton (Any coverage) [/ QUOTE ] Don't forget the Peterson fiasco!! Can you believe how much airtime that got!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Realtree Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? And now. Brittany Spears is pregnant. Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] And now. Brittany Spears is pregnant. Unbelievable! [/ QUOTE ] Had not heard that, not that it is of any importance to me anyway. I do agree that the pope getting some coverage is a good thing and is obviously more mnewsworthy than spears, but think some peoples actions might possibly be viewing him as more than just a man, which he was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted April 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] And now. Brittany Spears is pregnant. Unbelievable! [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. You know what, I pay them celebrties(sp) no mind. I could care less about them to be honest. Most of them are bad for our kids to know about anyway. Look at how they dress and act on stage I care more about how the Realtree Pro Staff does on their hunts;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] And now. Brittany Spears is pregnant. Unbelievable! [/ QUOTE ] Have you seen the way she acts, dances, dresses. She has spent some serious time at the Mariah Carrie school of Skank. Nope, not to unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? I wouldn't be surprised if they start a reality show following her around on her daily life through pregnancy. I guarantee you, if they don't actually do the show, it will be thought of many times over. She had to do something to get back in the news, Jessica Simpson has been getting all the press lately, but, she is a better singer and actress than Brittney anyways, better looking too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? while i believe the television coverage was purely dollar motivated by the stations, it is only right and just to pay tribute to a world leader of such quality. i'm glad to have watched it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] To me it is all relative to a person's influence, following, and the history of that position. If a President was to die in office, there would be just as much coverage. Yes, he was just a man. But he also was the leader of the world's largest religion. A religion that has influence in almost every corner of the world (morally and politically). I can't think of one human being on earth that has that amount of influence. Times have changed. And there are certainly folks that don't care. But just the history of this position is newsworthy and when you have a one pass away, it is indeed a rare event. Now, if you want to talk about useless and endless TV coverage: A Royal Wedding The OJ Trial The Jackson Trial Paris Hilton (Any coverage) [/ QUOTE ] Dont forget every SOAP that is and ever was on TV!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] Dont forget every SOAP that is and ever was on TV!!! [/ QUOTE ] AHHHHHHH!! I agree with LifeNRA on something, shoot me now!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] The Bible says don't put any other Gods before me, yet the Pope is treated like a God by some who want him to perform miracles, walk on water, raise dead, heal blind, all the stuff that has been done before. [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe that anyone has ever wanted or expected the Pope to do those things. In fact, this Pope and the last seem to me to be very humble. [ QUOTE ] I am always curious what the world would do if the Pentecostal, or Baptist, or Methodist were to elect themselves someone who will hand out the orders and tell them what to do..... [/ QUOTE ] They have. All the denomination you spoke of have conventions, the Church of God in Cleveland , TN has a convention every two years where they elect a " Presiding Bishop " it used to be the " General Overseer " but I guess that wasn't proper sounding enough, Baptist USA and Southern Baptist Conventions elect "Presidents" Every religious denomination has an elected leader, the only reason there is so much said about the Pope, is well, it's the oldest denomination in history, going on 2000 years here, and there are more than a billion Catholics, if there were a billion Baptists in the world, their leader would be all over the front page also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? You didn't upset, trust me, if you stay on these forums long enough you will learn to tell when I am upset. I was just trying to debate your post with some other info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] The thing is that a lot of people will look at the Pope and equate him to being holy , which is innacurate. The Pope has done nothing to provoke the people that want to worship him, yet some of his congregation have chosen to. [/ QUOTE ] Have to agree with this. I heard the term "holy father" in reference to the pope used many times. I think father and holy are terms reserved for God and Jesus. Just does not seem quite right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? I agree completely, he made this world a better place for a lot of people, but he is gonna make the next a lot worse for a lot of people. Unless he changed, i don't think he is in heaven right now. You must believe that Christ is the one and only way to heaven, not Mary. It is sad that someone who devoted his whole life to God will probably not spend eternity with him. Not trying to make anyone mad, just the way i(and the Bible) see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] if there were a billion Baptists in the world, their leader would be all over the front page also. [/ QUOTE ] Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that other than Catholic (possibly including) Baptist is the biggest Christian denominations in the US. I am Southern baptist and not only do I not know who our president is, untill your post, I did't know we had one. Also most denominations do not equate political power with holyness, spirituality or salvations. We (baptist) maintain that no one, except for God Himself, knows the heart of another . So, spiritually none of use are better than the next. This is not the case with Catholics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] I agree completely, he made this world a better place for a lot of people, but he is gonna make the next a lot worse for a lot of people. Unless he changed, i don't think he is in heaven right now. You must believe that Christ is the one and only way to heaven, not Mary. It is sad that someone who devoted his whole life to God will probably not spend eternity with him. Not trying to make anyone mad, just the way i(and the Bible) see it! [/ QUOTE ] The last Catholic I talked to, basically said that Catholics believe that the one true way to heaven is through Christ. Last Rites, Purgatory, the Virgin Mary, have nothing to do with salvation or getting to heaven according to the last practicing Catholic I talked to about a month or so ago. I went to a church that said Catholics were going to **** because they didn't believe that Christ was the only way to get to heaven. My mom went to a church when she was little that told her that making the sign of the cross like Catholics do was evil. I wonder why I stopped going to church? Unless you know something different, I would say that the church I went to was wrong. I have no use for an organized religion that propagate lies in order to make themselves seem holier, more saved, or self righteous because they want to fill the seats on Sunday. Almost forgot, unless you have evidence, and in this case, I would say first hand knowledge, that the Pope is in ****, along with the billions over the last almost 2000 years, and likewise the 1 billion Catholics in the world headed that way, don't you think you should refrain from speculating as to where he or they are spending eternity. It doesn't look good when you are trying to propagate a Christian outlook by condemning billions of other Christians who don't worship the same way you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? I am not condemning a denomination. I'm a Baptist, but I know that there will be people from many different denominations in Heaven. As long as you believe that Christ is the only begotten Son of God and that he came to earth to die in your place, repent of your sins, and invite him into your heart, you are a Christian! There are millions of Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, and all the other "Christian" denominations that are no more Christian than a Buddhist. Because you only become a Christian by being saved, not by being affiliated with a certain group of people. I will not claim that i know a lot about the Catholic religion, but when the new Pope said in his "Inauguration" that he prayed and thanked God and the Holy Mother. When they pray, they pray TO Mary, and ask her to intercede for their sins. That is Christ's job. Christ is the only way to the Father, not Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Re: Question about the Pope???????? [ QUOTE ] they pray TO Mary, and ask her to intercede for their sins. That is Christ's job. Christ is the only way to the Father, not Mary [/ QUOTE ] Hard NOT to agree with that one. Jesus is our only intercessor and anyone who is a Christian, is a saint, according to the bible. No earthly vote on that one...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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