tedicast Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 The Mathews Switchback puts an end to the "Fast is loud" myth. I shoot an Outback, but after shooting a Switchback, and seeing the chrono numbers, you get the best of both worlds , a bow that is whisper quiet, and smoking fast. If i had to choose between speed, and silence, I would take silence every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] The Mathews Switchback puts an end to the "Fast is loud" myth. I shoot an Outback, but after shooting a Switchback, and seeing the chrono numbers, you get the best of both worlds , a bow that is whisper quiet, and smoking fast. If i had to choose between speed, and silence, I would take silence every time. [/ QUOTE ] John is 100% correct. The Switchback is a rocket and it doesn't make a sound. A bow can be really fast and really quiet, the company just needs to put the time and technology into developing it. Mathews did it last year with the Outback and improved it this year with the Switchback. I think these last couple years, the "problem" with speed is whether you can hit the target accurately, not if it's too loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The Mathews Switchback puts an end to the "Fast is loud" myth. I shoot an Outback, but after shooting a Switchback, and seeing the chrono numbers, you get the best of both worlds , a bow that is whisper quiet, and smoking fast. If i had to choose between speed, and silence, I would take silence every time. [/ QUOTE ] John is 100% correct. The Switchback is a rocket and it doesn't make a sound. A bow can be really fast and really quiet, the company just needs to put the time and technology into developing it. Mathews did it last year with the Outback and improved it this year with the Switchback. I think these last couple years, the "problem" with speed is whether you can hit the target accurately, not if it's too loud. [/ QUOTE ] Yup! My switchback FLYS! I cant wait to put a arrow through a deer with it! I already took a hog with it! And it was GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] I think these last couple years, the "problem" with speed is whether you can hit the target accurately, not if it's too loud. [/ QUOTE ] To me, if your bow is tuned right, speed will improve accuracy not cause it to be a problem. Suppose you estimate a deer to be 35 yards out and it's actually 40 yds. If you're shooting a bow that throws an arrow at 215 fps, you're shot placement will be a lot worse than if you were shooting a bow with an fps of 270. When I'm shooting 3-D, I want a bow that is fast. I'm not too worried about draw weight because my time in between pulls is far apart. If I'm bowhunting, I will sacrifice speed for draw weight in order to be able to draw smoothly in less than ideal situations. On a different note, if I'm spot shooting, I'm not worried about speed that much. I want something that I can draw 30 or so times in 30 minutes without experiencing fatigue. Basically, speed is more forgiving on yardage estimation mistakes. If you don't have to estimate yardage, speed shouldn't be as big of a concern to you. I'm a speed man myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucknut Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows Id say the 05 Allegiance is near the top when it comes to speed and whisper quite shooting.JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted April 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] my dad a some trouble with his arrow fish taling because it was to fast, he cranked it down 5 LBS and it flew great. pat [/ QUOTE ] That sound more like an uderspined arrow causing the fishtail, then a bow that is too fast. The faster you are shooting the more unforgiving the set up will be. A fast bow will show off problems with your set-up, tuning, form, and arrow spine, a lot more than a slower bow will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted April 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] how come when he notched his bow down 5 LBS, it stopped..? pat [/ QUOTE ] Because at 5 lbs less draw weight, the arrow wasn't as underspined. At 5 lbs less draw weight the arrow wasn't flexing as much coming off the rest, thats why it flew better. Taking away that 5 lbs of draw weight cost him probably, at least 10 to 12 fps. He would have been better off with a correctly spined arrow, if he was comfortable at the heavier draw weight. What I'm saying is it sounds like the cause of the irregular flight was an underspined arrow, not a too fast bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Re: speedy bows Sounds like tedicast has it right. For me, I will take speed anytime. I have been bow huinting for quite a few years now, (since early 80's) and bows have come a long way. Some of hte new bowhunters that fall to todays hype must really wonder how we killed deer before the days of blazing speed or can't hear them go off bows. Noisy bows kill deer just as dead as quiet bows do. Granted they do occasionally jump the string, but I have killed 3 of my largest bucks with a very loud High Country bow. In fact, my budy heard me shoot my last one and his stand was about 100 yards away. He commented "I heard you shoot, how big is it?" I do like the quietness of the new bows. I also like the speed. Speed kills. It allows the shooter to be off slightly in range estimation. I don't shoot 3D. I shoot practice and critters. I don't care if the deer is 25 yards or 32 yards, its dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted April 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Re: speedy bows [ QUOTE ] hey tedicast may i ask wat kinda name is that ? do like to go fishing in ladies teddies or something ?? j/k [/ QUOTE ] How did you know???? Don't tell anyone...ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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craig mack Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Re: speedy bows I'll take quiet over speed any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Re: speedy bows to hear chuck adams and tink nathan if it isn't there way it's wrong. i on the other hand have theory on this also. i can shoot a bow mine is top weight 63 or 64 lbs and shoot a 326 greain arrow for deer and predators and not have a problem for bear elk and other thicker skinned critters i would use a 400 grain arrow and maintain a good speed and ke to the critter. placement is important whether your shooting a fast or slow bow and whether your able to hit what your aiming at. practice practice practice is the key. and yes i know i can take a big black bear or elk with my bow out to 50 yards but usually if your in a tree with beatr your usually only 20 yards at the most and for elk you better practice for the longer shot and hope for a short shot and 400 grains is goodd for either. i have drilled a deer with a 326 grain arrow flying around 275 to 280 fps it depends on the chrono you shoot thru lol and and the deer never flinched at 18 yards until the arrow was on the other side of her and in the ground you can make a bow quiet and now the new sts system is out and well worht the money spent to stop the string oscaltion and movement and it makes it even quieter and your accuracy improves as well due the loss of string movement. you can make your bow quiet if you work at it and i have shot my pride agaisnt mathews ar and phouyt and bowtech and had a person listen to each bow and i haven't lost a shoot off liek that yet. you can make a bow quiet. the truth about deer jumping the stirng is like this if your shooting a deer inside of 20 yards the sound is lessened to the ear of the deer.l if he or she whicheve ryour shooting is on guard they will hear other thigns to make known there is somethign wrong and are ready to go right then but if the deer comes in and seems to be assured of nothing out of the ordinary they are elss likly to hear a bow if they are pretty much quieted down. they also say and i wish i could find that article i read that outside of 20 yards you will find a deer will react to the noise of the arrow coming to it and you see the drop and push off.this is how they jump the string as everyone says. when your out try it on a squirrle or rabbit and try to shoot at one outside of 20 yards if you can and see if it reacts they are good hearing animals but the deer is the one you match witswith that will make or break your hunt. most people throw things lik spiders and limbsavers and they go out and shoot and they are okay in the silent department but string and if you use a rubber tubing on your peep there is another bit of noise you can';t stop. the nv system which pse used quieted down man many bows that were known for vibration handshock and noise and the nv system is a great set up butt he stirng is still going to have a little noise. now the new sts system will stop the stirng noise and again make it better then the last thing you need to check is your release. they are made of metal and metal clinksvery light noise but again noise well i have been shooting a scott little goose forever and foudna quieter release which i am going to use the 3 finger thumb release truball simialr tot he prodiamond a very quiet release that will help, oh and one more thing check out if yoru shooting feathers or vanes the feathers willmake a whooshing or whistling sound coming toward the animal. if you can stand off tot he side of your target listen to the whistle now i know you need to be behind something to do this but you will hear it and sometimes a broadhead will also whistle. getting rid of all the sound is a problem but you can make it where the animal your after has a hard time picking up your shot makes it for a more successful hunt sorry for rambling but i have been trying to eliminate all sound and i don't think it can happen and i shoot turbo nocks and have heard a soft wind noise but will know more on how an animal will react to it at a later date. if you can do it try using a video camera or a recorder and record the noise you will ifnd your louder than you think rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Re: speedy bows If you want to hear some noise, try a x-bow I'm stuck now using one for about 4 years. My longest shot has been 30 yards. I keep my shots pretty close. When I practice in my yard it hard to believe the deer don't jump out of their skins I might have a little better speed than most compounds though. I would love to try some of the newer ones though. Speed doesn't mean much to me, you can just miss them quicker LOL too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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