lil hunter Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 I didn't know they shot b&c class bucks in Kentucky? I remember a few years ago they killed a couple 120-130"ers, but thats not a BC buck. To get in the BC club, your buck has to score 170 i believe. I don't think I've ever seen one that big killed by Team Realtree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? It's 170 minimum to enter B&C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? Keep in mind that's 170 net. Most guys like myself don't put too much stock in net scores and when throwing out numbers we'll use gross instead. Gives true credit for the amount of Bone the critter grew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? Boone and Crockett minimums to get in the books depend on what weapon you are using dont they. Thought it was 130 for archery to get in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? [ QUOTE ] Boone and Crockett minimums to get in the books depend on what weapon you are using dont they. Thought it was 130 for archery to get in the books. [/ QUOTE ] nope... to get into the B&C "All Time" book the min for a typical is 170, for a non- typical its 195. To get in the "awards" book, the mins drop tp 160, and 185. . Pope and Young min is 125, for a typical, 155 for a non typical. A bow killed deer can be entered in both books, but it must meet the same requirements as a rifle shot deer to make B&C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Andrus Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? I pretty sure they never killed a 170 buck in Kentucky. Alot of times people say a buck scores 150 B/C . The buck doesent score B/C , but they used a B/C scoring sheet, and that were the B/C comes from. That help any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? When I say my biggest buck scores 215 gross B&C, it doesn't mean it makes the B&C All Time Record Book. It means I've arrived at that score using the B&C scoring system. And just because one shoots an All-Time B&C Book animal doesn't mean one has to enter it. Many, many people don't enter their trophies. They get them professionally measured but just like knowing they make Book without actually seeing their names in print. The B&C scoring system has been around for a lot of years. It's the most recognized system in NA. I don't see how it's confusing. You have all the species and then you have typical and nontypical. I think you are confusing things in your mind because you are trying to combine other scoring clubs. Pope & Young is just that, Pope & Young. They are a record keeping club for archers. Longhunter Society is a record keeping club for muzzys. Other clubs like SCI have their own scoring systems quite different from the B&C system. If you want to know more about the Boone & Crockett, check out their web site at www.boone-crockett.org They have what you are looking for with a state by state breakdown. You have to pay for that info on their new online service. Otherwise, purchase the Records of North America Big Game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? I was guiding a guy named Chuck Cook and he got a book deer i'll never forget what he said when I suggested he enter it-"The only book it's going in is the Cook book" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig mack Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? If all those big bucks are shot in enclosures like you say Kc than isnt that false advertisement when they say they were hunting in fair chase conditions? I'm not so sure your correct on that. At least not the newer more popular video series like:(realtree,primos,drury,primetime,etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? [ QUOTE ] If all those big bucks are shot in enclosures like you say Kc than isnt that false advertisement when they say they were hunting in fair chase conditions? I'm not so sure your correct on that. At least not the newer more popular video series like:(realtree,primos,drury,primetime,etc) [/ QUOTE ] Actauly Id think that could go both ways.A high fenced ranch in texas could be 20,000 plus acres like he said.While it would keep a buck outta the record books because of the fence id still consider it a fair chase hunt since it would be the equivalant of trying to hunt about 1/2 of the county I live in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? [ QUOTE ] The majority of the hunting video bucks are killed on game ranches owned by outfitters and having fenced perimiters. [/ QUOTE ] Are there some videos out there on high fenced ranches yes, is it a majority no. Realtree used to hunt on some high fenced ranches that had thousands and thousands of acres between, but they no longer do that at all. I don't have a P&Y or B&C book to look up names but I would think that some of the bucks taken over the years are registered, but I don't know as a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? Like need2hunt said some are taken on high fence ranches but the majority are not. All the requirements to enter a B&C buck take some time. I just got my acceptance letter and certificate last Friday for the buck I killed Nov. 20, 2004. I did have to wait an extra 30 days beyond the 60 day drying period to get my mount back from the taxidermist and I had it officially scored within a few days. They do some background checking in processing an entry and I was informed that the processing period would be approximately 2 1/2 months. Also (according to their acceptance letter), even though my buck exceeds the minimum entry requirements their letter says "Please note that the rank of your typical whitetail deer in the records listing cannot be determined until publication of the Awards and/or All-time records book(s). Barring unforseen circumstances, your trophy will be listed in the Awards records book, Boone and Crockett Club's 26th Big Game Awards, to be printed after 2006, and/or the All-time records book, Records of North American Big Game, 13th Edition, with expected publication after 2011." Also, my understanding of the acceptance letter is my entry is not final until the end of the 2004-2006 awards period. Like tedicast said the trophies falling short but within 10" of the minimum net scores only go in the Awards book for that period of time. I'm also a Boone and Crockett associate member. From looking at their on-line trophy search for field photos, they are posted through 2003. Entries received after that haven't been posted yet. Those may not be posted until after the awards period ends for the 2004-2006 awards period when acceptance of all entries during that period is final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bow Hunter Derek Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? Good lord, does this have to be this difficult for some people to understand? First, like many have said, there are a lot of book bucks shot that never get entered. That is the hunter's perogative to enter it or not. Secondly, though I am no Realtree Monster Bucks video fan (I have my reasons), I do own the video where they admit that the buck David Morris shoots (I think on Monster Bucks XI) is the FIRST true net B&C buck ever taken on the Monster Bucks series. Hum, that could be why you don't see the R.T. guys names in the books ... they haven't shot B&C book bucks. Plain and simply. So, why is Mr. Morris's buck not in the books. Well that could be because he did not enter it ... or, it has not been officially recorded. I'm no B&C expert, but as I recall they only meet every couple years to officially enter records and then it takes time to get those records published. As far as the other videos, who knows why they don't enter them. Stan Potts for example has a house full of giants, including that non-typical. Others are in similar situations. Maybe they believe thier face on TV's is recognition enough. Who knows and who cares. I also just love how the high fence/fair chase enters a discussion like this. Get your facts in order before you start accusing them of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? FYI - 20,000 acres is over 31 square miles. Do you think a mature whitetail is capable of eluding hunters if he has 31 square miles of range? And the reason behind high fences isn't to keep the deer in, it's to keep other deer out. That way, you can more closely manage the total population, food/range conditions, etc. And no, I'm not hunting on high fenced ranches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TCScout Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? No B&C bucks killed in Kentucky. I think not. Since the 1999-2000 season B&C bucks have been killed in 68 of Kentucky's 120 counties. It is one of the top B&C producing states in the country, and bear in mind it is not littered with hunting preserves or high fenced operations. In many areas of the state the average Joe has an opportunity to shoot a bigun'. As far as what the Realtree hunters have done in the state, I am not aware that they have shot a 170-inch deer in the Kentucky. My point is that many have though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Re: Pro hunters in the record books???????? kcbuck, The panel sessions are not only for the potential record breakers or for those that rank high (top 10 is my understanding) on the all time records book. If your trophy's score places it in the top 5 for that awards period (currently the 26th Awards period) at the clubs discretion, they can invite you to send your trophy in for final judging by the Judges' Panel at the close of the next awards period. If you don't, your trophy will be listed with an asterisk indicating that it was not seen and that its score is not final. As I said in my prior post, it's my understanding from their letter that entrys are not final until the end of the awards period when they are entered. I presume that gives them more time to confirm that an entry was taken under the rules of fair chase leaving them the option to kick one out if it wasn't before its officially entered. Why else would they use the words "Barring unforseen circumstances" in their letter? In the mean time, accepted entries are published in their quarterly issue of Fair Chase magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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