News From Hometown. Shouldn't Have Happened.


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Tell ya what Marky...things been weird for me the last few weeks. I am not sure what is going on with me confused.gif. Things been really hitting home here recently and with everything else going on...I don't know man..I really don't. I feel a lot calmer than usual grin.gif, really I do and I don't like it. I want the old TSBH back. Too bad I don't drink cause I really need to get drunk right about now grin.gif Maybe I need a shrink grin.gif Maybe I have hit mid-life crisis grin.gif

Speaking of that...and I am saying this because this thread is already killed so......

I was teasing my wife about hitting mid-life crisis and I didn't realize all that pertains to that. She said when men hit that, they tend to cheat on their wives and want younger or prettier women grin.gif. Boy did I feel stupid grin.gif

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I in no way defend or condone what this guy did with that six year old girl, she'll have to live with that the rest of her life, just like this guy had to live with what he did. If he did feel guilt over what he did, than wouldn't it have been better off for him to live with this guilt rather than have a vigilante take matters into their own hands. Maybe he was mentally unstable, which, it seems to me one would have to be to molest a child, so why wasn't he on some anti- child love medication, the same things for gays, if they have some sort of mental problem, then where is the straightening pill.

Child molesters should get harsher penalties, but to claim that I am always on the other side is misguided at best, I should go back and find all the comments made about things I have posted about people agreeing with me or me agreeing with them.

The fact is, is that I am a hunter and a gun owner, and in that we all share a common love, but some things I don't agree with just like you guys. I didn't defend this guy, I just condemned the actions of someone from my hometown that took it upon himself/herself to post these fliers which is not Florida law and is against the law to use that information in that way, seeing as how it came from a Florida Govt. website that is supposed to be used for personal information. I have a convicted child molester living down the road, I looked it up, I'm certainly not going to post fliers all up and down the road, the most I would do is maybe go door to door, but, correct me if I am wrong, that is the job of law enforcement to advise the citizens of this person living near them, if they didn't do it, then law enforcement dropped the ball, maybe they did when he first moved there and this person was new to the neighborhood. This is a direct response from the recent murders in Florida from convicted sex offenders.

This Couey guy, he needs to be fried for what he did to the Lunsford girl, but how many in the neighborhood knew he was a convicted child molester, how many of you know of any child molesters in your neighborhood, we all have computers obviously, go and look it up, and take whatever actions you deem necessary, don't just expect me to defend your actions if someone kills themselves over it.

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If he did feel guilt over what he did, than wouldn't it have been better off for him to live with this guilt rather than have a vigilante take matters into their own hands.

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Well they just let the public know there was a child molester in their neighborhood! I still don't see anything wrong with this! I WOULD WANT TO KNOW MYSELF!!!

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Maybe he was mentally unstable, which, it seems to me one would have to be to molest a child, so why wasn't he on some anti- child love medication, the same things for gays, if they have some sort of mental problem, then where is the straightening pill.

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I doubt there is any pill that will keep a monster like him to refrain from doing what he did! Unless its the pills he took along with that bottle of scotch!

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the most I would do is maybe go door to door

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This is just the same as using fliers! Your still spreading the same info, only verbally. So that makes you the same as the person who hung the fliers!

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don't just expect me to defend your actions if someone kills themselves over it.

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Somebody takes them self out because they cant live with the GUILT, then so be it! They ruined a kids LIFE! They should be locked up in a prison in GENERAL POPULATION! That way the inmates can have there way! They all hate child molesters as much as I do! Who knows how many more kids this monster got! Just because he was caught once, there could be more kids he assaulted!

He made his bed, now he is BURNING IN IT!!! mad.gif

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I'm winning already!!!!

I have the most red ink. LOL

I guess that I will have to start calling a weed a rose so that no more feelings are hurt.

Thanks for keeping me straight Marky. wink.gif I say this because the post looked very pointed toward my direction.

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I was truly disgusted to find out just recently that we have 3 sexual predators living in and near our neighborhood. We live out in the country and I used to think very little about letting my two boys play outside by themselves. Not anymore.

They can't understand why Mom won't let them ride their bikes to the stop sign and back. They can't understand why I want them to be in sight of me while they are outside at all times.

And it's really sad that it has to be that way. I didn't grow up like that. But I'l be da**** if I allow some pervert to snatch my sons and do God knows what to them. And yes...I would have to serve time also for what is my God-given duty to protect my children.

Child molestors should be given the death penalty. Plain and simple. Pedophilia CANNOT be cured.

I'm not sorry in the least that there's one less child rapist in the world.

And dang proud I live in Florida!

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I doubt there is any pill that will keep a monster like him to refrain from doing what he did! Unless its the pills he took along with that bottle of scotch!

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Not so...I cant remember the name of the drug, but I'm pretty sure there is a pill or shot that is given to sexual pred. Its supposed to slow there adrenilin or something??? confused.gif

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I doubt there is any pill that will keep a monster like him to refrain from doing what he did! Unless its the pills he took along with that bottle of scotch!

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Not so...I cant remember the name of the drug, but I'm pretty sure there is a pill or shot that is given to sexual pred. Its supposed to slow there adrenilin or something??? confused.gif

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Are we talking about chemical castration here? That's what is prescribed for a majority of them.

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I doubt there is any pill that will keep a monster like him to refrain from doing what he did! Unless its the pills he took along with that bottle of scotch!

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Not so...I cant remember the name of the drug, but I'm pretty sure there is a pill or shot that is given to sexual pred. Its supposed to slow there adrenilin or something??? confused.gif

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Are we talking about chemical castration here? That's what is prescribed for a majority of them.

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Yeah its called a NOOSE AROUND THE NECK! Pills or shots! Give me a break! That can and will not stop a child molester from doing anything else! What next remove his hands, or feet, or face! I dont care if they are so drugged up they cant speak! It will not stop them from doing what they want!

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This Couey guy, he needs to be fried for what he did to the Lunsford girl, but how many in the neighborhood knew he was a convicted child molester, how many of you know of any child molesters in your neighborhood, we all have computers obviously, go and look it up, and take whatever actions you deem necessary, don't just expect me to defend your actions if someone kills themselves over it.

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That's just it slugger, we should all know if there is a sexual predator living in our neighbourhood. How else can we protect our children.

We had a case here a few years back (you can look it up if you want). A little girl name Dawn Shaw, got molested and killed by a sexual predator in my own daughters school yard. The offender lived in the complex, right next to the elementary school. He was also his victims baby-sitter.

During the aftermath of this little girl being killed, it was brought to our communities attention that there are no less than 24 sexual predators living in our community.

You see, we are priviledged (being sarcastic) to have the "John Howard Society" here in the Valley, which is the treatment centre for all sexual predators on Vancouver Island. mad.gifcrazy.gif

Now how do these things happen ??? mad.gif I am angry just thinking about this case again. The offender's Mother, actually allowed him to babysit the kids in the complex, and he was a convicted sexual predator, who "SUPPOSEDLY" served his time and, in your words, not mine, "PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY"

These scum of the earth shouldn't have the right to remain anonymous in my neighbourhood or yours. They should lose the right to live among us, never mind the right to privacy, the minute they molest or molest & Kill their first victim. crazy.gif

Below is a exerpt from an arument in parliment where this case was brought up

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Mr. Bill Gilmour (Nanaimo—Alberni, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, seven years ago in Courtenay, B.C., six year old Dawn Shaw was brutally raped and murdered. Her 15 year old killer, Jason Gamache, was a repeat sex offender.

Not even the RCMP were aware of Jason's history of child sexual assault because the Young Offenders Act forbade professionals treating a young offender from discussing the case in public. He was prohibited access to children, but because of the YOA nobody knew about his record. He lived next door to a school and was babysitting Dawn Shaw the night he killed her.

In the new legislation, the public must be made aware of repeat sexual offenders like Jason Gamache if we are to protect our children. We must ensure that the new YOA is drafted to protect our children, to punish the offenders and to make public the names of the offenders and the details of the offences. The new YOA, as presently drafted, does not address these points.

During the last parliament I saw firsthand how the Young Offenders Act failed a seriously disturbed sexual offender and, more seriously, how it failed a young girl and her family. Seven years ago in Courtenay, B.C., which was part of my riding at that time, six year old Dawn Shaw was brutally raped and murdered. Her killer was 15 year old Jason Gamache, a repeat sexual offender who had been convicted previously of two sexual assaults on four year old children, one girl and one boy. Jason was convicted in Nanaimo in 1991 and moved to Courtenay with his mother to attend court ordered sex offender therapy through the John Howard Society.

His probation order clearly stated that he was to have no contact with children under 12 years of age. Yet Gamache's neighbours, the local authorities and even the Courtenay RCMP were not aware of Gamache's criminal record of sexual assault because of the privacy sections of the Young Offenders Act. The only people who knew of Jason's criminal background were his mother, the John Howard Society and his probation officer.

On October 24, 1992 Jason was playing hide and seek with Dawn and other children. He carried her on his shoulders into the woods, raped her and then stomped her to death. The footprint etched in the dirt on Dawn's face clearly matched that of Jason's and was one of the clues that identified him as the murderer.

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Not so...I cant remember the name of the drug, but I'm pretty sure there is a pill or shot that is given to sexual predator. Its supposed to slow there adrenilin or something???

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Pill shmill....If in fact there is such a drug, it is left up to the child molester to administer his/her own medication. That is just plain wrong.

If there is such a pill, it should be administered to them by someone else daily and they should be behind bars...period

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Not so...I cant remember the name of the drug, but I'm pretty sure there is a pill or shot that is given to sexual pred. Its supposed to slow there adrenilin or something???

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Lethal Injection works for me.

I can't believe some on here - defending the rights of someone that would do these sorts of things to a child.

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Personally, I believe they should get the death penalty. ( Like I said before)

And chemical castration does sound stupid. I think that they should be castrated using a dull and rusty knife. wink.gif

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I am angry just thinking about this case again. The offender's Mother, actually allowed him to babysit the kids in the complex, and he was a convicted sexual predator, who "SUPPOSEDLY" served his time and, in your words, not mine, "PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY"

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I don't know how things are up there in Canada, buckee, what I do know, and I assume it is like this all over the USA, but when one is convicted of being a sexual predator/molester, are they not prohibited from any contact with children and must stay a certain distance away from children of a certain age.

If that is the case, then the mother who allowed her convicted son to babysit is just as guilty as her son who eventually killed another child, because she should have known not to let him near any children. For all we know this guy in my hometown might never have come close to another child, wheelchairs make that difficult, by all accounts it sounded to me like he wanted to live his life, felt remorse over what happened, and rarely went outside. Thanks to a "concerned citizen", he is now dead, probably over more guilt and shame.

Going door to door with the information is different than posting fliers all over the neighborhood. If the person had gone door to door, this guy might never have killed himself, and for some on here his death is a good thing.

Here is a question for the decent Christians in the room, I know there are a few, the ones who preach in one thread and things cuss in the next can disregard. Salvation is available to every man, am I correct, there is no sin unforgiveable, if you take the bible literally, except for blaspheming God. What if this man in Florida, in a wheelchair, convicted child molester, had accepted Christ's salvation, completely turned his life around, and became a minister. Would his suicide be applauded if someone had taken it upon themselves to post fliers around the neighborhood. I get the feeling that people don't care about this guy and are glad he is dead because he lived a relatively un-christian life, he obviously drank and used drugs at one point, so to me, the attitude on here is, "no great loss.", but what if he were your pastor, someone in your church, a godly man, when the news of his past crimes were splashed all over the news, which is what would have happened had he been a minister, would his death be lauded as a step in the right direction, or a great loss because of the man he became.

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If that is the case, then the mother who allowed her convicted son to babysit is just as guilty as her son who eventually killed another child, because she should have known not to let him near any children.

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That doesn't console the parents of Dawn Shaw much though, does it. If the housing complex where this sexual deviate lived, had known our been informed in some why that there was a convicted child molester living among them, this never would have happened. The laws of the land need to protect us, not some convicted child molesters Mother.

And yes, she should have been convicted as an accomplice, but like I said above...that doesn't bring little Dawn back to life again.

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What if this man in Florida, in a wheelchair, convicted child molester, had accepted Christ's salvation, completely turned his life around, and became a minister. Would his suicide be applauded if someone had taken it upon themselves to post fliers around the neighbourhood. I get the feeling that people don't care about this guy and are glad he is dead because he lived a relatively un-christian life, he obviously drank and used drugs at one point, so to me, the attitude on here is, "no great loss.", but what if he were your pastor, someone in your church, a godly man, when the news of his past crimes were splashed all over the news, which is what would have happened had he been a minister, would his death be lauded as a step in the right direction, or a great loss because of the man he became.

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If that were possible ?? So far, from what I have seen and all the reports I have read on the subject, there have been no cases of a sexual predator being cured of their twisted sexual desires. Kind of makes you wonder eh. The bible says that these sexually perverse people's minds have been given over to depravity, because somewhere along the line, they refused to turn from their hidden desires. There have been many cases of "honest" convicted child molesters who show very much remorse, but at the same time will be the first ones to tell you that if let out of prison, they would re-offend.

Based on what we know about child molesters as being repeat offenders, I don't see how a convicted child molester could ever become a Pastor, because the qualifications are that he must be beyond reproach. Based on what we know about these types of sexual offenders...he is not, and never would be beyond reproach.

I know that seems like a lame answer from a Christian slugger, but it's the only one I have right now. I think God is going to have to sort this one out.

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For all we know this guy in my hometown might never have come close to another child, wheelchairs make that difficult, by all accounts it sounded to me like he wanted to live his life, felt remorse over what happened, and rarely went outside.

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Maybe he was also one of the more honest sexual predators, who still had those feelings and due to that, plus his wheelchair, felt compelled to stay away from children. That does not make him OK, or cured, it just makes him, under the circumstances a little less likely to re-offend. Given the right circumstances though, even for a predator in a wheelchair, (given what we know about sexual predators), if a child were to sit on his lap, could or would be running a fantasy over in his mind about what he would like to be doing.

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Maybe he killed himself because he knew was going to do it again. Who knows? We definatly do not!!! None of us can even begin to determine what this guy was thinking but the majority believe that he did us a favor and possibly saved another child from having their life ruined. I guess that some people here feel that they can determine what a criminal mind is thinking no matter how different that is from their past actions. Maybe they should spend more time trying to save victims rather than defend criminals.

Elwood

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Pill shmill....If in fact there is such a drug

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Utilizing hormonal agents, anti-androgens and surgical castration in the management of sexual abusers continues to be an area of interest and concern for many, including researchers, clinicians, program administrators, legislators, sexual abusers, victims of sexual abuse, and the general public. Last year legislation was enacted in Florida allowing for chemical or surgical castration of sexual offenders and requiring “chemical castration” for repeat sexual offenders.

Chemical or surgical castration may be an appropriate supplement to supervision and treatment for some offenders. It is not appropriate or necessary for the majority of sex offenders, and should not, under any circumstances, be considered an adequate substitute for comprehensive sex-offender specific cognitive-behavioral therapy or for correctional supervision.

Organic treatments have been used to reduce the sexual drive of some sexually aggressive males and other paraphiliacs whose inability to control their behavior leads to repeated occurrences of sexually deviant behavior. The importance of sexual motivation in the attraction to sexual offending, however, varies widely among abusers; therefore, the simple reduction of sexual drive is of limited usefulness for many abusers.

Sexual offending is driven only in part by sexual desire. For most offenders, sex becomes a vehicle with which to exercise perceived emotional needs, such as a desire for power and control or the expression of anger. Equally importantly, distorted thinking justifies, rationalizes, and reinforces the offender’s behavior. Simply reducing sexual desire does not address the cognitive and emotional issues involved in offending behavior. Since most sexual offenses involve not penetration, but fondling, it is easy to see how perpetrators could continue to offend even if sexual functioning is impaired.

Generally, those predatory pedophiles and rapists described in sections 1 and 2 above are the offenders most likely to be highly motivated by sexual desire, and therefore are those most likely to benefit from organic therapy. At the same time it must be noted that these are the offenders least motivated to control their deviancy, and thus least likely to adhere to a prescribed medication regimen.

Anti-androgen Therapy

It is important to develop ordered and reasonable criteria for anti-androgen therapy based on diagnosis, history, motivation and risk. A referral to a physician for anti-androgen therapy should occur only after an extensive sex-offense specific mental health evaluation has been completed and a medical evaluation recommended by the treating mental health professional. Since anti-androgen medication carries some clear medical risks, it should only be administered under ongoing medical supervision. As with any treatment intervention, appropriate informed consent must be obtained when anti-androgen therapy is implemented.

Anti-androgen treatment should be coupled with appropriate correctional monitoring and counseling within a comprehensive treatment plan. For the medical intervention to be effective the abuser must be involved in concurrent cognitive-behavioral treatment designed to address other aspects of the deviant behavior in addition to sexual interests. No medication should ever be used as the sole method of treatment.

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You missed my point CH (as ussual).

Who administers this drug or these drugs to the sexual deviates ??? crazy.gif

Not you, not me, it's the deviates themselves who are left with the "responsibilty" (whatever that means to a child molester) of administering their own medication. crazy.gifcrazy.gif

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You missed my point CH (as ussual).

Who administers this drug or these drugs to the sexual deviates ??? crazy.gif

Not you, not me, it's the deviates themselves who are left with the "responsibilty" (whatever that means to a child molester) of administering their own medication. crazy.gifcrazy.gif

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and you missed my point as ussual, First off since you didnt even know of the drug, how do you know who adm it???

States differ but most who use medication are required to show at a clinic on a daily basis.

my point had nothing to do with any of this though, just that the drugs exsist since you made this remark

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Pill shmill....If in fact there is such a drug

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all this was found with a simple online search of states laws concerning sexual predators....much better than assumptions.

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I didn't assume anything. I know these people take drugs. I didn't look it up like you did...so what.

What I mean't by "If in fact there is such a drug " is If in fact the drugs do what they say they do. If you had of read my entire post, you would know that I'm not quite as stupid as you think and I wasn't saying that there is no such thing.

That seems to be one of your specialties. Picking little sentences out of posts and twisting them, just to make someone look stupid.

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States differ but most who use medication are required to show at a clinic on a daily basis.

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Yeah, that's while they are still on probation. What about after they have served their sentence and served their probationary period after being let out.

Once a child molester is out of prison and has served his probationary period, it is up to him/her (him in most cases) to keep up his own medication.

It's really lax here in Canada, even worse than the states.

These people should not be out of prison in the first place...period...drugs or no drugs, and that, my friend is what I mean't by "Pill shmill...." tongue.gif

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Also note that ALL the states say medication should in no way be the only form of treatment.

To be honest i think the dude got what he deserved end of story, but there is SO MUCH info out there on SP's that one should read up, especially if you have kids

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What if this man in Florida, in a wheelchair, convicted child molester, had accepted Christ's salvation, completely turned his life around, and became a minister. Would his suicide be applauded if someone had taken it upon themselves to post fliers around the neighborhood.

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To answer your question, yes, I would applaud his death! Then God will pass judgement weather he goes up or down! Hopefully he sends him to H*LL for what he did. Even if he does feel guilty! I would not believe him even if said, "I am SAVED!"

EITHER WAY, I WANT TO KNOW THAT HE IS LIVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD! TO KEEP MY KIDS AWAY FROM HIM WEATHER HE IS A CHRISTAIN OR NOT!!!

There has been more than one person who used religion as a front! Either way I dont care what or who he is, he molested a 6 year old girl! Funny you dont seemed to have any info on the girl Slug! Your more concern about the dead scumbag!

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Well here is an idea! All sexual preditors need to have their arms, legs, and mouths removed from their body. This way they cant harm nobody! Sounds good to me! Why should we worry about pills or shots! If they cant move they cant hurt nobody! Yeah ok, I know the civil rights people would go crazy about human rights and stuff!

ITS PATHETIC THAT THERE IS MORE CONCERN ABOUT THE CRIMINAL, THEN THE VICTIM!!!

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