U.N. human rights and wrongs

[LifeNRA]

U.N. human rights and wrongs

By Arnold Beichman

President Bush couldn't be more right that the United Nations needs reform. The best proof of the need for U.N. reform is the U.N. Commission on Human Rights.

There are 53 commission members. How can you take the U.N. seriously when six human-rights commission members are among the most repressive regimes in the world? These six regimes, according to a Freedom House survey, include: China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Zimbabwe.

Instead of harrying U.S. ambassador-designate John Bolton Congress should harry the United Nations for allowing such scandalous behavior. How can China, or Cuba, yes Cuba, be allowed membership on a U.N. commission responsible for monitoring and condemning human-rights violations? Why aren't there congressional hearings about such immoral, duplicitous behavior at the United Nations?

The first question such a White House conference should ask is: How did China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Zimbabwe become members of a body called the United Nations Commission on Human Rights?

It's bad enough to have these regimes in the U.N., exercising voting privileges they would not dare allow their own peoples -- but have them sitting on the Commission on Human Rights? This is only one of the many macabre jokes about the United Nations: allowing felons to sit in judgment on themselves.

"Repressive governments enjoying CHR membership work in concert," said Freedom House in its recently published survey, "and have successfully subverted the commission's mandate. Rather than serving as the proper international forum for identifying and publicly censuring the world's most egregious human rights violators, the CHR instead protects abusers, enabling them to sit in judgment of democratic states that honor and respect the rule of law."

A March 21 report by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan admitted the presence of these repressive governments on the CHR has severely injured the U.N. body's credibility. Mr. Annan recommended creating a reformed "Human Rights Council" whose members would be chosen based on compliance with the "highest human-rights standards." Three cheers for Kofi Annan -- but who will start the ball rolling?

Forgotten is Article 3, "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person" and Article 18 of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights proclaimed on Dec. 10, 1948:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

Those two clauses could well be the keynote of a White House Human Rights Conference to be convened, say, Dec. 10, 2005.

[slugshooter]

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Lets not forget that Moammar Qadahffi is the chairman of said organization. Regardless of his "change of heart" it's still a joke, he's just trying to get the heat taken off if himself cause he is worried about following in the footsteps of Saddam Hussein.

The UN may need reform, but it is certainly and hopefully not going to be the job of John Bolton nor should it solely somehow be our responsiblity, reform needs to come from within, not trying to nominate someone who is obviously the worst man for the job to go up there and act like a whip cracker. Most of the countries in the UN are probably fed up with us, John Bolton will just make things worse.

[LifeNRA]

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The UN may need reform, but it is certainly and hopefully not going to be the job of John Bolton nor should it solely somehow be our responsiblity, reform needs to come from within, not trying to nominate someone who is obviously the worst man for the job to go up there and act like a whip cracker. Most of the countries in the UN are probably fed up with us, John Bolton will just make things worse.

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Why because he is PRO GUN? Or is this just typical dem response? The NRA has backed him from the start! This is why almost every dem does not want him in there! Because this will ruin the dems chances of anymore gun control!

[slugshooter]

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The UN may need reform, but it is certainly and hopefully not going to be the job of John Bolton nor should it solely somehow be our responsiblity, reform needs to come from within, not trying to nominate someone who is obviously the worst man for the job to go up there and act like a whip cracker. Most of the countries in the UN are probably fed up with us, John Bolton will just make things worse.

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Why because he is PRO GUN? Or is this just typical dem response? The NRA has backed him from the start! This is why almost every dem does not want him in there! Because this will ruin the dems chances of anymore gun control!

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The first I have heard of him being Pro-Gun is from your previous post LifeNRA. I couldn't care less if he has an M1 Abrams in his front yard. I don't like him because he obviously treats people like crap and has no human decency. Whats the old mantra "Watch who you step on on your way up, because you might see them on your way down." These are people who have worked side by side with this guy in a Republican administration, that is why the Democrats don't like him. Not everything is a gun control issue LifeNRA.

[LifeNRA]

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has no human decency

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Your previous post on human decency? Your point is???

Rather have him in there then the child motester you support! Sorry Slug but GUN CONTROL is my main reason I support him. As long as he keeps my guns in my hands, I really dont care what else he did in the past.

[carbonhunter]

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Your previous post on human decency? Your point is???

Rather have him in there then the child motester you support! Sorry Slug but GUN CONTROL is my main reason I support him. As long as he keeps my guns in my hands, I really dont care what else he did in the past.

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There is one *&^% of alot going out there to pick someone ONLY because he is pro gun. I'm always up for someone who is pro gun, but that is one of a long list of things that matter when your the head of the U.N.

You need to back up off slug, everypost you have made in reply to him is looking for a fight....why dont you lay off the stupid political jabs and form an educated response.

[LifeNRA]

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You need to back up off slug, everypost you have made in reply to him is looking for a fight

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Me Aaron? I am looking for no fight! Just speaking my mind! If I wanna fight, Ill go over to HuntingPA.com! Them people love to fight over there!

Its just one time slug is saying that this shouldnt be done, then in the next topic he talks about human decency. Kind of confusing if you ask me!

Like I said, I am looking fo NO fight here. Just speaking my mind!

[buckee]

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There is one *&^% of alot going out there to pick someone ONLY because he is pro gun. I'm always up for someone who is pro gun, but that is one of a long list of things that matter when your the head of the U.N.

You need to back up off slug, everypost you have made in reply to him is looking for a fight....why dont you lay off the stupid political jabs and form an educated response.

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Looks to me like you need to back off CH. You seem to be the biggest name caller in here and the guy with the shortest fuse. Let slugger speak for himself. He's a lot better at it than you are.

[slugshooter]

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has no human decency

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Your previous post on human decency? Your point is???

Rather have him in there then the child motester you support! Sorry Slug but GUN CONTROL is my main reason I support him. As long as he keeps my guns in my hands, I really dont care what else he did in the past.

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NO, John Bolton has no human decency, neither does the child molester that I DID NOT SUPPORT nor CONDONE his actions, neither does the person who posted misleading fliers in a neighborhood in my hometown, and neither do you for coming up with false accusations and not thinking before you type.

You scare me LifeNRA, I shudder to think at who you would vote for just because they are pro-gun. Timothy McVeigh was Pro-Gun, would you vote for a terrorist, how about Eric Rudolph. I would rather vote for someone who has never fired a gun who is a decent human being and does what is right, than a person who is a pathetic excuse for a human being just because he is pro-gun. Since we are on the John Bolton, Pro-Gun issue, please cut and paste some info regarding his pro-gun stance, because like I said, you're the only one I have heard this from.

So what you are saying is, you would vote or support someone who is Pro-Gun regardless of what they did in the past, so that includes someone who abused drugs, abused alcohol, might have been a rapist or child molester, because as you said previously, as long as they keep my guns in my hands, I don't care what they did in the past. Sad and scary.

[slugshooter]

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Some of Boltons highlights, hey, who needs a good nominee when he might be a gun supporter.

Attempted to “reassign” intelligence analysts who challenged his policy conclusions: John Bolton believed that Cuba was building biological weapons systems. The U.S. intelligence community did not. Bolton attempted to remove two intelligence analysts from their posts because of this disagreement. He told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he simply “lost confidence” in the analysts, Fulton Armstrong, a CIA Latin America analyst, and Christian Westerman, the top biological weapons expert in the State Department, because of procedural issues. Stuart Cohen and Carl Ford, their respective supervisors, recall instead that Bolton was furious that low-level analysts would dare challenge an appointee of the President on substantive matters. In fact, Ford, a staunch conservative Republican, testified to the Foreign Relations Committee that Bolton’s anger toward Westerman “sent a chill” through the intelligence community at the State Department; he added: "I’ve never seen anybody quite like Secretary Bolton. I don’t have a second, third or fourth in terms of the way that he abuses his power and authority with little people." Armstrong and Westerman only kept their jobs because CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin and Secretary of State Colin Powell intervened to protect them.

Made unusual number of requests for transcripts of secret conversations involving high-level U.S. officials: As Under Secretary of State, Bolton requested and received the identities of 10 different U.S. officials whose conversations he read in top-secret National Security Agency intercepts. While it is not unheard of for U.S. officials to make these kinds of requests, ten “is unusually high for one person,” according to an intelligence official. Bolton did not acknowledge a request "for the names of the U.S. officials whose identities he sought, leaving some to believe that he was spying on his superiors and colleagues to advance his own agenda.

Angered U.K. officials with maverick Iran policy: While Colin Powell and Richard Armitage were trying to make progress towards a common Iran policy for the U.S. and Britain, Bolton was espousing his own, unsupported views on Iran and disrupting U.S.-U.K. relations. British Foreign Minister Jack Straw complained about Bolton to Powell, who then circumvented Bolton and worked instead with the nonproliferation experts in his department.

Tried to fire official for toning down Iraqi WMD language: Bolton tried to fire Rexon Ryu, a “rising star” in the State Department, claiming Ryu refused to transmit a cable Bolton wrote about weapons inspectors in Iraq. When Ryu’s superiors investigated the charge, they found it to be untrue. On the other hand, State Department officials revealed that Ryu had played an important role in toning down Powell’s speech to the UN on Iraqi weapons and removing some of the more controversial allegations.

Did not forward crucial intelligence memos to the Secretary of State: On a number of occasions, Bolton blocked vital information from getting to Secretaries of State Powell and Condoleezza Rice, simply because they were not hawkish enough for his taste. The decision by Bolton to keep this information to himself often left Powell uninformed.

Made dangerous speech on Korean weapons, then lied to Congress about approval: In 2003, Bolton delivered an inflammatory speech in Seoul, South Korea, that put nuclear negotiations with North Korea at risk. In his testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee, Bolton defended the speech, saying Thomas C. Hubbard, former U.S. Ambassador to South Korea, approved it. Bolton claimed that Hubbard told him that the "speech had been helpful and done them some good." Hubbard’s response: "At the very least, he greatly, greatly exaggerated my comments." In fact, Hubbard rejected many controversial lines from the speech, many of which Bolton recited anyway.

Allegedly promoted faulty intelligence on Iraqi nuclear program: According to Congressman Henry Waxman, Bolton was the key proponent of the now-discredited claim that Iraq was seeking to acquire uranium from Niger to build nuclear weapons. In a letter to Representative Christopher Shays, Waxman writes that Bolton saw to it that the claim was included in President Bush’s 2002 State of the Union Address and then covered his tracks by using State Department secrecy rules.

Allegedly threatened and abused a USAID worker: Melody Townsel wrote a letter to Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar claiming that Bolton threatened her when she worked at the U.S. Agency for International Development. According to Townsel, whose story has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, Bolton chased her through a Moscow hotel, threatening her, throwing things at her, calling her names, and generally "behaving like a madman."

Allegedly tried to fire a female employee for taking maternity leave: According to Sen. Chris Dodd, Bolton "threatened a woman who requested maternity leave” for health reasons at the Department of Justice.

[carbonhunter]

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There is one *&^% of alot going out there to pick someone ONLY because he is pro gun. I'm always up for someone who is pro gun, but that is one of a long list of things that matter when your the head of the U.N.

You need to back up off slug, everypost you have made in reply to him is looking for a fight....why dont you lay off the stupid political jabs and form an educated response.

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Looks to me like you need to back off CH. You seem to be the biggest name caller in here and the guy with the shortest fuse. Let slugger speak for himself. He's a lot better at it than you are.

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I wasnt speaking for slugger i was speaking next to him...get it right

I suggest we not get started buckee, If there is a problem i'm sure Mark will let me know. As for calling names thats funny comeing from god and jury. after re-reading my reply to LIFE i dont see a name called in there, and since ive only postyed in here three or four times in the last month i doubt there is much name calling in there either.

I couldnt care less what you opinion is of me steve, and you know how i feel about you.

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Why because he is PRO GUN? Or is this just typical dem response?

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Thats what i was reffering to LIFE, it seems like a mute point argueing pro vs not pro gun between a bunch of hunters, Im sure everyone on here supports guns, that isnt the whole picture.

Why jump right on the Gun and DEM thing when he just said he didnt support him??

[buckee]

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I suggest we not get started buckee, If there is a problem i'm sure Mark will let me know

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I got news for you CH. I'm a moderator in this room too.

And if you don't stop calling me names, you'll be out of here quicker than you can shake a stick.

[carbonhunter]

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oh ya where did i call you a name now??????

I'll get into this here or shall we revert to the pm's again, god and jury refers to the point that you a moderator. You got the power to edit or do whatever you please with me, but i def. havnt done anything worth banning.

you keep getting your snide remarks in, im just following the example.

[buckee]

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god and jury refers to the point that you a moderator.

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Yeah right ...you and I both know what you are referring to, but that's beside the point. Don't tell me to back off because another moderator will take care of it, if there is a problem.

[LifeNRA]

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Some of Boltons highlights, hey, who needs a good nominee when he might be a gun supporter.

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Yep! I vote for the guy who protects my firearms! I said it before, and I will say it again!!! Everything else I could less about! Sorry Slug I do not carry the world on my shoulders like you do! I make my own opinions for whatever arises! Like it or not! I live my life the way I want to. If an issue has something to do with me then I act on it.

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So what you are saying is, you would vote or support someone who is Pro-Gun regardless of what they did in the past, so that includes someone who abused drugs, abused alcohol, might have been a rapist or child molester, because as you said previously, as long as they keep my guns in my hands, I don't care what they did in the past. Sad and scary.

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LMAO!!!!!!!! Slug your putting words in my mouth now! There is some decency in my thoughts, remember I am a father of a six year old little girl! So yeah I care about other issues! Its just funny knowning that the dems are all in a tizzy about him and the NRA has their approval of him being in the UN. I dont know about the other issues with him and right now I dont care either! Wanna spin some more? I can dance! LOL!

[slugshooter]

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As long as he keeps my guns in my hands, I really dont care what else he did in the past.

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No spin required for that one LifeNRA, you said it so yourself. How does it feel to have your words twisted around? Not fun is it, now you gotta make 10 posts trying to defend what you said.

It's not my fault you would vote for a scumbag just because he would fight for your gun rights.

[carbonhunter]

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Was just listening to Sen. George Voinivich® (former Ohio governor)

on NPR, I cant remember ever hearing him differ from the Bush Adm. in the time he has been in Office.

"I would think that John Bolten stands for the very opp.(my abriviation) of what a diplomat should be"

hmmmmm makes ya wonder.

[LifeNRA]

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As long as he keeps my guns in my hands, I really dont care what else he did in the past.

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No spin required for that one LifeNRA, you said it so yourself. How does it feel to have your words twisted around? Not fun is it, now you gotta make 10 posts trying to defend what you said.

It's not my fault you would vote for a scumbag just because he would fight for your gun rights.

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Nope! No ten posts required! Hmmmmmmmm and I will fight for my gun rights till my last breath! Not like some of you!

To bad some people care more about a monster then the children!

Reguardless of what you may think slug. I dont care what you do with my words! I do what I want to, its my right. Its your right too. But dont come in here and talk about human decency to me after your molestation post. You made your thoughts, I made mine. You dont wanna know what I really think. Have a nice day!

[slugshooter]

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But dont come in here and talk about human decency to me after your molestation post. You made your thoughts, I made mine. You dont wanna know what I really think. Have a nice day!

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Whatever, twist my words and make your assumptions about me. The fact is, reading is more than reading words on a page, you also have to be able to read and comprehend them, something you obviously failed to do in above mentioned post.

The only person accusing me of defending and/or condoning the actions of the molester is you. Everyone else seems to understand what I was trying to convey. Nowhere in that post did I defend him and several people have commented on that very thing. It's not my fault you jump to conclusions and instead of admitting to that, you stubbornly stick to the same argument, when everyone else knows it to be false.

Go ahead and shoot me a PM if you want to tell me what you really think about me. You're not going to hurt my feelings, and trust me, I promise I won't think any less of you than I already do.

[buckee]

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I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT, WHAT AM I !!!!

Just trying to lighten the mood guys. It's getting dark and gloomy in here eh

[slugshooter]

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Was just listening to Sen. George Voinivich® (former Ohio governor)

on NPR, I cant remember ever hearing him differ from the Bush Adm. in the time he has been in Office.

"I would think that John Bolten stands for the very opp.(my abriviation) of what a diplomat should be"

hmmmmm makes ya wonder.

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You opened the floodgates now Aaron, now we have to sift through 20 posts about how evil Voinovich is, about how he is a RINO(Republican In Name Only), how he wants to take away your guns, and that he is a closet liberal who likes gerbils.

[LifeNRA]

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Whatever, twist my words and make your assumptions about me. The fact is, reading is more than reading words on a page, you also have to be able to read and comprehend them, something you obviously failed to do in above mentioned post.

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I am not twisting your words slug, remember your the one who said, "He paid his debt to society!" Not me! I am looking at this from a fathers point of view. Something of which your not! So I can see how easy it is to go straight down the middle and support the scumbag. BTW, when I said you dont wanna know what I think. It wasnt directed towards you, but, to what you think of me. The feelings are the same, I dont think any less of you as well! I guess that makes us equal then huh!

[carbonhunter]

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Whatever, twist my words and make your assumptions about me. The fact is, reading is more than reading words on a page, you also have to be able to read and comprehend them, something you obviously failed to do in above mentioned post.

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I am not twisting your words slug, remember your the one who said, "He paid his debt to society!" Not me! I am looking at this from a fathers point of view. Something of which your not! So I can see how easy it is to go straight down the middle and support the scumbag. BTW, when I said you dont wanna know what I think. It wasnt directed towards you, but, to what you think of me. The feelings are the same, I dont think any less of you as well! I guess that makes us equal then huh!

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What the.....does a fathers point of view have to do with John Bolten and the UN???

[LifeNRA]

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I guess this stems back to the molestation post! LOL!

I was tired, I am still tired! Nine miles in the mountain killed me! But not like slug would wish for! LMBO!!!

[slugshooter]

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So I can see how easy it is to go straight down the middle and support the scumbag.

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Thats the word twisting I am talking about. You are the only one who feels that I was defending this guy in the post. I don't defend what he did, and I don't defend what the flier poster did. If you still don't get it after this, then I give up.