Where's the outrage over base closures.


slugshooter

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When Clinton was president, he was lambasted by conservatives for being anti-military. The Bush Administration has proposed closing 33 major bases and a total of 150 all together. Come on Active Duty and Military Veterans in support of the president. Where is the outrage over this huge list of proposed base closures.

Why is it OK for Bush and not for Clinton. The same circumstances apply to the Clinton closures as do this list from Bush, but I am sure I will get an "honest" answer as to why the situations and mentalities are different in these separate incidents.

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Re: Where\'s the outrage over base closures.

Wow slug your stirring the pot (as in kettle that is) this week pretty hard maybe you should take a rest! Cant help but ask, are trying to stir the feelings here?

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Well, if you really want to know, try this.

I believe President Bush has the best interests of the country in mind when he proposes base closures.

I believe President Clinton had his own personal interests in mind when he proposed them.

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My feelings as well. There is a major base outside my home, but I havent heard anything yet.

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You know, I will probably shock people here by saying this but I could really care less. I know my job isin't going away shocked.gif. The major Marine bases (the few that there are) are not going anywhere so therefore, it doesn't bother me. The little bases....the logistics base in Albany, could easily go to Quantico. Mirimar Air Station in So Cal, could easily go 40 miles up the road to Camp Pendleton because there is already an Air Base within. The Mountain Warfare Training Center in Northern Cal...it's a dump anyway. Go to Norway like we did!

You see where I am getting at Slugo. There is a reason for everything and I am quite sure Bush will make the right decision plus I don't think all of them were on the actual "Chopping Block" anyway. Alot of them were re-aligning. All I ever here around Marine Corps bases is how the community is fed up. Good, pack it up and go then. Let their little town go to the wayside. Like over in Okinawa, all they do is gripe about us over there over a few incidents with Marines. If we would pack up and go, that tiny island would go to the dumps.

LifeNRA...what base is right outside your home besides Indiantown Gap confused.gif That's a Guard base. I am surprised that is even still there. The only thing there worth anything is the National Cemetery and Memorial Lake grin.gif

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New Cumberland and Carlise bases, but I just read none of the bases in PA will be closed down. When are you getting in town here. We need to hook up and go to Pinchot for some bass fishing! You wont need anything, I got plenty of stuff! Wife calls me a floating tackle store! LOL!

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This is simple

Clinton CLOSED bases.

Bush has PROPOSED closing bases.

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Out of 150, how many of those do you think will be closed. Some jobs will be consolidated and realigned just like under the Clinton administration. And a lot of people will be out of jobs. But thats OK, the economy supposedly created 240,000 new jobs last month of which 90% of them pay a little more than minimum wage.

You see, Clinton gets rid of obsolete weapons systems and replaces them with new and better ones, and he is crucified for it. The same thing that happened under Clinton is happening now with Bush. The only difference is, Clinton didn't serve in the military, and Bush has a couple pics of him in his flight suit, but his service time is debatable.

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This is simple

Clinton CLOSED bases.

Bush has PROPOSED closing bases.

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Out of 150, how many of those do you think will be closed. Some jobs will be consolidated and realigned just like under the Clinton administration. And a lot of people will be out of jobs. But thats OK, the economy supposedly created 240,000 new jobs last month of which 90% of them pay a little more than minimum wage.

You see, Clinton gets rid of obsolete weapons systems and replaces them with new and better ones, and he is crucified for it. The same thing that happened under Clinton is happening now with Bush. The only difference is, Clinton didn't serve in the military, and Bush has a couple pics of him in his flight suit, but his service time is debatable.

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LOL.......looked like central ohio was going to get hit hard, we ended up gaining jobs

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he is crucified for it.

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LMBO at Slugo grin.gifgrin.gif...were you trying to say criticized grin.gif

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Nope, thats exactly what I wanted to say, not literally of course, but I sometimes get the feeling that if the ultra-right could have gotten away with it, they would have tried. smirk.gif

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Base closings does not equate to down-sizing the military. It means reorganizing to use the money in a better, more cost-effient way. Most of the military bases are pork barrel politics stemming from years ago. They've always meant jobs and the infusion of money into political districts.

Clinton's approach was to down-size the military and, therefore, he did so by closing bases. and doing away with military positions. Bush is not down-sizing the military but, rather, closing cost-ineffecient bases and moving the military to other bases. Everything I've seen or read in the news shows an increase in military personnel at bases that are being retained. Yes, there are civilians positions that are being lost - but we tend to pay civilians better than we do the military ones.

If closing bases AND maintaining the military's strength results in more money for the military in the form of more personnel and better technology - where and what's the bit** (complaint)?

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So let me answer a question with a question - where exactly are we losing military jobs? I'm sorry but I can't find any myself.

Here in Georgia we're closing 4 bases and netting a gain of 7500 military and civilian jobs.

When Clinton closed bases they were closed for good - no transfers, no gains....just loses.

You ask where the outrage is and I ask why would there be any?

One thing I did find kinda funny - have you compared the closing/transferring of bases with the election maps? If not then I suggest you do so.....amazing how them blue states lost out and how those red states gained.

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Hmm, let's see, since this is a BASE Realignment AND Closure, that's exactly what it sounds as if is happening, which is fine as far as I can see. DOD is attempting to align the military with the 21st Century, and the missions as such, it's not a reduction in forces as seen in the past,

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