Swamphunter Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 I have a question about form. I used to own and shoot a PSE Fireflight and could hold very good groups with very good arrow flight. Since I bought my PSE Diamondback 2 years ago, I have had less then supertight groups like I used to get. My proshop guy does an excellent job tuning and paper testing them so the question of the tuning being the problem is out of the question. He has deduced it to form. He said that the new bows are less forgiving when it comes to form than my 12 year old or so Fireflight. Here's where I guess I need help... (I never thought it would come to this...years ago I placed 15th in an outdoors 3-D tournament out of over 100 participants.. ). Anyways, how should I be gripping these new bows?? The proshop guy said to just use the meaty part of my palm near my thumb with a loose or open grip, and be consistant with it. Is that all?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Re: Question about form... That's all I do. I open my hand while drawing and then I just bring my fingers back to touch the front of the grip to refrain from gripping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Re: Question about form... It is important to keep BOTH hands loose and fingers open so you dont torgue the bow OR your release. Even though most releases have some sort of rotating head, you can still put torque on it enough to be inconsistant. Once I learned this littel tip from an Olympic shooter no less, my groups did noticably tighten. As for your bow hand it personal preference, and also depends on grip design, but yes the meaty part of your thumb/palm, but I like to use the it more favoring the index finger. Kinda in the "Y" of the thumb/finger palm area. JMO Good Luck Ken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archerjg Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Re: Question about form... I keep my hand open with the bow being held between my thumb and forefinger. Archerjg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Re: Question about form... Hard to say, having not seen you shoot, but it seems to me the older style bows like my PSE and Golden Eagle have these huge grips, and my Mathews has this teeny weeny skinny thing. I dare say those little grips, while more comfortable, are prone to torquing. Do you use a sling? Those helped me a lot with relaxing my grip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted May 22, 2005 Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Re: Question about form... [ QUOTE ] My proshop guy does an excellent job tuning and paper testing them so the question of the tuning being the problem is out of the question. He has deduced it to form. He said that the new bows are less forgiving when it comes to form than my 12 year old or so Fireflight. [/ QUOTE ] Did the proshop guy tune your bow for you or did you tune it with his help??? Having someone other than your identical twin, tune a bow doesn't mean it's tuned for YOU. It's hard for me to believe that you can't get good groups with a newer bow when you were shooting lights out with an old one. One thing you're looking at, more than likely, is an increase in speed. With an increase in speed, the spine of an arrow becomes more important. Are you shooting the same arrows you did with your old bow?? If so, you might look into changing that aspect of your set-up. Also, check the brace height and weight of your old bow and new bow. It could be something as simple as a lighter bow. A heavier bow, usually, is easier to old on a dot without much travel. If you're getting a lot of "travel", you may start experiencing target panic. This will normally cause you to punch the trigger. You may shoot two good shots but the third could be over an inch off. Just keep practicing...paper tune--if YOU havn't yet....and try squeezing the trigger slowly. Back Tension would help but it may be more than what you want to put into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted May 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2005 Re: Question about form... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] My proshop guy does an excellent job tuning and paper testing them so the question of the tuning being the problem is out of the question. He has deduced it to form. He said that the new bows are less forgiving when it comes to form than my 12 year old or so Fireflight. [/ QUOTE ] Did the proshop guy tune your bow for you or did you tune it with his help??? Having someone other than your identical twin, tune a bow doesn't mean it's tuned for YOU. It's hard for me to believe that you can't get good groups with a newer bow when you were shooting lights out with an old one. One thing you're looking at, more than likely, is an increase in speed. With an increase in speed, the spine of an arrow becomes more important. Are you shooting the same arrows you did with your old bow?? If so, you might look into changing that aspect of your set-up. Also, check the brace height and weight of your old bow and new bow. It could be something as simple as a lighter bow. A heavier bow, usually, is easier to old on a dot without much travel. If you're getting a lot of "travel", you may start experiencing target panic. This will normally cause you to punch the trigger. You may shoot two good shots but the third could be over an inch off. Just keep practicing...paper tune--if YOU havn't yet....and try squeezing the trigger slowly. Back Tension would help but it may be more than what you want to put into it. [/ QUOTE ] I was there when he tuned it, but he did the work. I did paper test it and got a bullet hole. The arrows ever look perfect on the way to the target (no fishtailing or up and down movement..., perfect.) I think when I do shoot, the ones I concentrate on watching I am getting good form and the ones when I am just shooting, I must let form slip a bit for the hurried shot. The bow is quite a bit lighter than the other one, and I did have very tight groups with the other one. I maybe need more practice as with the years going by and the addition of a wife and kids, my shooting time is more limited. Maybe its not even the form, but the lower amount of practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted May 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Re: Question about form... Thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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