Squirrelhunter91 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] Why wouldn't you want it in bow season? A bows a bow. You still can't shoot far, can't hit brush, have to make a good hit, the list goes on. The only difference is that crossbows have a trigger. big deal. As far as I'm concerned their is way more to shooting a deer than just the shooting part. I've never so much as held a compound bow, nor do I ever want to hunt with one. [/ QUOTE ] I don't want it in bow season only because of the fact that it brings lazy hunters into the woods if everyone is aloud to use them. I am all for disabled hunters being able to hunt with a crossbow. Just not in archery season. I am against a capable hunter, who is just to darn lazy to hunt with a compound, recurve or longbow during archery season to go out and hunt with a crossbow. You say you would never want to hunt with a compound bow, you don't know what you are missing out on. The reason why most people are upset with the crossbow issue isn't because of the trigger, it's about holding at full draw, placing a pin on the animal and staying calm and steady, where with a crossbow, you look through a scope and pull a trigger. Much different that holding at full draw while that big monster buck is lip curling the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? well I hunt with a crossbow and I don't thinkof my self as a "lazy" hunter.....the only question I have is why should they only be for disable hunters???? because they are easyer????if this is so then why not make compounds just for the old and disabled??? and every able body person has to shoot long bow????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? exocet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] I don't want it in bow season only because of the fact that it brings lazy hunters into the woods if everyone is aloud to use them. I am all for disabled hunters being able to hunt with a crossbow. Just not in archery season. I am against a capable hunter, who is just to darn lazy to hunt with a compound, recurve or longbow during archery season to go out and hunt with a crossbow. [/ QUOTE ] Squirrel, Hate to tell you this but there are "lazy" hunters already in the woods during archery season. Here's my take on all of this... Traditional shooters think that compounds are to easy because they have sights, Compound users think that gunhunters and crossbows are to easy because they are aimed different and can have longer effective ranges, Gunhunters think that archery hunters get too long of a season and are elitists.. oh and I won't even get in to all the turmoil and reasons why traditional muzzleloader hunters are better than the inline muzzloader hunter or why long range shots with a rifle is superior talents than a shotgun blah, blah, blah. All in all each "group" complains because everyone else doesn't hunt "thier" way... sometimes we sound like a bunch of whiners If crossbows where to be a legal alternative for everyone then it would most probably be allowed during the archery season and in some states the gun season as well. IMO the "lazy" hunters that everyone keeps talking about are actually gun hunters, and the fear is that with the legalization of the crossbow that every person that gun hunts now has a seemingly viable way to participate in the woods for a longer period of time without going through all the rigors that an "elite" archer has to. Also it has the possibilities of loss of hunting priviledges on properties where in the past gun hunters and archery hunters were allowed at different times and were able to share the property due to the season splits. The crossbow issue to me is more of an unwillingness of hunter "groups" to compromise the priviledges they currently have with others. Hunting has alot more to it than which weapon you choose to use, each weapon has it's own set of skills to operate it properly and consistently, if your weapon is a legal option then I say go do your best with it and don't worry about what all the "experts" have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? I have to agree with Gary on this one,,,,use what weapon is legal and become proficient with it, and when you bag your deer I'll congrat you on your harvest in hopes you will do the same for me when I bag mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? If you are capable of drawing back a regular bow, why would you go for a crossbow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] If you are capable of drawing back a regular bow, why would you go for a crossbow? [/ QUOTE ] Who's to say that just because your capable of drawing back a bow that you are automatically obliged to only hunt with a bow? What I'm saying is if it's legal then it comes down to personal preference. If it's legal and someone chooses a crossbow (as thier personal preference) then who am I or you to tell them they are wrong just because my or your personal preference is a bow? If you own a shotgun or rifle and are capable of killing a deer with it, why would you go for a regular bow? That question is not meant to be smarting off, I'm just trying to show my point of the CHOICE of which weapon you use does not make what hunting is nor does it make one hunter inferior to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? You guys are a bunch of wimps and non-hunters using compound bows, crossbows, recurves, guns.....I am a real hunter....I use a sling shot Seriously...that's what some of you sound like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? TSBH, Aww man I tried to drag as many groups into this as possible, i forgt the slingshot users though... thanks for including them I didn't want to leave anyone out... By the way what were we talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? GEEZE,,,TSBH What are you going to use this year ??? The LAW or the M203 ???..... My personal preference is the Falcon... If I miss with that I give up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? Well, I would like to use the .50 cal but that might be a little extreme....even for a elephant I might use the blowgun this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] I might use the blowgun this year [/ QUOTE ] Just be sure to use the right end.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] If you own a shotgun or rifle and are capable of killing a deer with it, why would you go for a regular bow? [/ QUOTE ] Anyone who has ever bowhunted anything, would agree with me on this one, the thrill of having a deer really close with the bow just adds alot more excitement to the hunt. I'm sure there are deer shot in bow range with shotguns and rifles, but you can hit that buck that is 350 yards out with a rifle, probably not a shotgun, but with a rifle you can. I think we should all agree to disagree only because we will be debating this forever and ever and it will lead to this thread getting locked and people getting banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am all for disabled hunters being able to hunt with a crossbow. Just not in archery season. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this right up to the part where disabled people can not use them in archery season. I think the reason they started the law in NY was so disabled folks could hunt during archery season. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] I am all for disabled hunters being able to hunt with a crossbow. Just not in archery season. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree with this right up to the part where disabled people can not use them in archery season. I think the reason they started the law in NY was so disabled folks could hunt during archery season. Wigs [/ QUOTE ] Wigs---i don't really think he meant it that way...i think his brain was working faster than his typing skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? I have a compound. I can handle the draw and the hold so i don't need a crossbow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? That is the difference between needs and wants. If you don't need a crossbow, why use one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? Man-O-Man, here we go again getting way off base..... I can see this one getting the lock with the missing key... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] If you all are against crossbows are you against hunting with a rifle. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think anyone's against crossbows---they just don't want it included in the archery season. Nothing wrong with using them during the rifle season though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossySNPR Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? Honestly man, I have never seen a compound bow shot in real life before! In my part of Ontario Canada, compounds are unheard of, its the total opposite here. Everyone uses crossbows, people are against compounds. As I have always said, it is the thrill of the arrow, not the bullet, regardless of how shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? I wasn't really going to stick my nose in this too much, I just have to ask...... What makes Ontario different from any other Canadian Provience ????? Seems to me that alot of my Canadian hunting counterparts in harsher conditions are able to harvest deer with compounds, so why isn't more difficult to do so in Ontario ???? Not to belittle your crossbow usage but that statement just seems to be alittle odd.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? I contend that the crossbow actually has many disadvantages to the compound that to me really levels the playing field more than you would think. 1. They are much heavier actually making it harder to hold for a shot. Mine wieghs over 8lbs, try holding that up for 3 minutes for a shot. 2. They are much bigger than most compound bows which makes every movement more easily noticed by an approching deer. 3. The noise of a crossbow fireing almost guarentees that an animal would not be around for a second shot. 4. Reloading after a shot takes a minimum of 15-20 seconds, a lot more movement and a whole lot more noise than a compound bow. Making a second shot nearly impossible. 5. Packing a crossbow in and out of the woods is not nearly as stealthy due to the size and shape of the bow. 6. Even the mechanical saftey makes noise on mine. Yes, once you get a clear shot on a deer the crossbow is probibly inhearently easier to shoot, but I contest that getting that shot is harder on the cross bow than on the compound, which to me, pretty much levels the playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? [ QUOTE ] That is the difference between needs and wants. If you don't need a crossbow, why use one? [/ QUOTE ] In areas where it's legal - because one wants to In areas where it's legal for only those with a doctors note - because one needs to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? Fly.. you keep pushing the point about why use a bow when a crossbow is easier, who would use a bow during rifle season, why would someone use a muzzleloader during rifle season. To a lot of hunter, hunting isn't just about killing! It's about getting the satisfaction out of using the method you prefer to harvest an animal. A lot of people would rather let a buck walk that is out of bow range, than to shoot it with a rifle. There is nothing wrong with that. Killing is a part of hunting, but it is not THE reason I hunt. I enjoy ever aspect of the hunt, from the year round practice with my bow,to the time spent atthe range with my rifles, shotguns, and muzzleloader, to the scouting, to watching the sun rise, and the sun set. The sights, sounds, and smells of the woods. I don't have to kill an animal to have a succesfull hunt. Far from it. Some of my most memorable days in the woods have been days when there was no shot taken. Hunting is not all about the kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Why be against crossbows? !!! Anyone who has ever bowhunted anything, would agree with me on this one, the thrill of having a deer really close with the bow just adds alot more excitement to the hunt. I'm sure there are deer shot in bow range with shotguns and rifles, but you can hit that buck that is 350 yards out with a rifle, probably not a shotgun, but with a rifle you can.!!! Well, I'm the someone who has taken deer with bow, and shotguns and rifles, that doesn't agree with that statement. I get just as much of a rush with a close-up shot with a gun, as I do with the bow. Most times with the gun, I'm standing on the ground when that deer comes in kissing close. I don't care what you are using, when that deer is 10 feet away, and coming closer, you're going to get a rush trying to take that shot. My biggest problem with the crossbow disability thing is this... I have a bad arm from my rheumatoid arthritus. It hurts to pull the bow back, but I'm still to strong to get a permit. Because of the permit issue, I may not be bowhunting at all this year. That's why I want them legal, so borderline health issues don't keep me from hunting the season I've been hunting since '73. And, some people say...Oh well, you can always gun hunt... but that's like kicking a person when he's down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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