Guest BCBOY Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Got the new issue of Muley Crazy and Jim Shockey has a good write up in it. Here's a quote that I thought you guys would like. "Ever watch diving in the Olympics? Or figure skating? Ever hear the commentators talk about 'degree of difficulty' when they are explaining how tough a particular dive or spin is? Well as much as it might offend some whitetail hunters, in my opinion, hunting and then tagging up on a big, trophy whitetail buck is the 'double sowcow' or the 'inward twisting back flip' of the hunting world. Not easy to do, but in terms of hunting, it's only halfway up the 'degree of difficulty' scale. By the same token, hunting and then tagging up on a big, trophy mule deer buck is the 'quadruple backwards Lutz' or the 'triple inward gainer in full layout position with two twists' of hunting! Far more difficult to do than tagging a big whitetail and you can quote me on that" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] and you can quote me on that [/ QUOTE ] I guess you just quoted him on that....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesVee Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence maybe he's talking with a bow or spear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence wouldn't know but sure would like to try someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SRA Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence stirring the pot again......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] Got the new issue of Muley Crazy and Jim Shockey has a good write up in it. Here's a quote that I thought you guys would like. "Ever watch diving in the Olympics? Or figure skating? Ever hear the commentators talk about 'degree of difficulty' when they are explaining how tough a particular dive or spin is? Well as much as it might offend some whitetail hunters, in my opinion, hunting and then tagging up on a big, trophy whitetail buck is the 'double sowcow' or the 'inward twisting back flip' of the hunting world. Not easy to do, but in terms of hunting, it's only halfway up the 'degree of difficulty' scale. By the same token, hunting and then tagging up on a big, trophy mule deer buck is the 'quadruple backwards Lutz' or the 'triple inward gainer in full layout position with two twists' of hunting! Far more difficult to do than tagging a big whitetail and you can quote me on that" [/ QUOTE ] My $.02 worth. It IS more difficult to take a trophy mule deer than a trophy whitetail. The two main reasons for that are the total numbers involved (many, many more trophy whitetails in North America than mulies) and the terrain (mulies tend to live in some very inaccessible places, whitetails are virtually everywhere). Now, does that mean that a trophy mule deer is smarter, warier, or more elusive than a whitetail? I wouldn't say so. I've hunted and taken both and I've got to give the nod for elusiveness to the whitetail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] stirring the pot again......... [/ QUOTE ] Took the words right out of my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I wouldn't know, I have to take your word on it. There are no Muley around here unfortunately. Maybe someday I will get a chance at them. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence That's not only 'pot' they stir in B.C. lol. Man I just couldn't resist-both are great animals to hunt but I'd put stillhunting 'big' whities in northern sask. right up there. Bowhunting mulies on the open prairie no walk in the park either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence What, me, stir the pot? NEVER!!!! Just thought it was interesting that the Whitetail guru himself admits to the facts of what I've been saying all along since my early days on this site. Dinky Dog Deer are Easy!!!! Fly, I saw Thad over the weekend. He got a good laugh about you claiming whitetails are harder. I've got him converted now. He's actually spending a good deal of time getting to know the muley's other cousin, the trophy blacktail. Now if you want a real tough hunt, pursue one of those in the rainforests of BC with your bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence My .02 cents what little it's worth.... A deer is a deer no matter what name it goes by,,,,,what makes it tough is the habitat it roams and lives in...JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] the trophy blacktail. Now if you want a real tough hunt, pursue one of those in the rainforests of BC with your bow. [/ QUOTE ] You got that right Thems are what ya call, dinky-dog ghost deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Have never hunted mulies, but sure would like to someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] That's not only 'pot' they stir in B.C. lol. [/ QUOTE ] Now that is funny Superguide! I'll try keep my post to minimum. Terrain and pressure dicates how hard a deer of any species is to kill. I've hunted both deer in ?, have killed some pretty good ones. Personally I find whiteys tougher. If I'd have had a mule deer tag a few times hunting whiteys 5 or 6 yrs ago down south, I could have killed some giants. But...........I'm sticking with the terrain bit. Put a deer of any kind in the big woods that I hunt and they are not going to be easy to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Hey Saskman how about that big bush south where we muzzy hunted that would be interesting if you started a few miles in lol. Someday soon you should come over I want to scout a big ridge for this fall-it looks 'deery' to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence That bush is interesting whatever is in it. Remeber those 2 knuckleheads who didn't really know where they were in there until they hit the road?? I actually know where some Muley's are near my place. Have been watching 3 bucks every day now that I'm into jogging. They're coming out of a big slash that overlooks the river, it's steep and rugged but they're coming to the alfalfa. You and Ty may have to buy some muley archery tags, I could put you on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] stirring the pot again......... [/ QUOTE ] Took the words right out of my mouth. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah who cares, not everybody has mulies in their woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Never hunted Mulies but would jump on it if I got the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Consider it done lol. I think someone needs a GPS lol. Why don't you go into the Mulie draw for 55 might as well shoot two hawgs a year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I now know BC stands for bull crap I thought you decided against posting this stuff on here, but I guess not. We don't care to hear about your adventures if you knock ours You think you were special before, well you are making my "list". too_pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] stirring the pot again......... [/ QUOTE ] Oh, for sure. But to make sure everyone knows...that vast majority of big whitetails this guy has shot have been shot on whitetail ranches and farms. I would like to see him come up to the Allagash and have his way with the big mature whitetail bucks there. They would prove to be as difficult or more so than any mule deer buck. I would bet money on it. The average shot from everyone I know who hunts there is 30-40 yards. Whats the average for mulies...way more than that. Anyone can whack a deer from 2-300 yards away. Not so easy when you have to be all but on top of them. Also, the other reason bigger whitetails would seem easier to hunt is because there is -alot- more of them than there are mulies. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I've only hunted mulies once on a spot and stalk bowhunt and from that hunt it sure seemed easier than whitetails. I was hunting with Pete Dube in northern Wyoming. He doesn't do bowhunts anymore because it's a lot easier for him to have his hunters fill their tags using a firearm which makes it easier on him. The mulies I was hunting had a habit of using the same bedding areas year after year. You could glass those bedding areas from a distance looking for trophy mulies. I'm told that's pretty common with mulies. I haven't found anywhere where whitetails do that yet. At least where I hunted in Wyoming it sure seemed like it wouldn't be that hard to kill a trophy mulie with a firearm. I'm sure there are pressured areas that make mulies pretty hard to hunt but I guess it wasn't where I was hunting. Now I've hunted whitetails in some places where they were easier to hunt than other places. Like Saskman said, it all depends on hunter pressure. Put a trophy whitetail under pressure and he will go nocturnal in a heartbeat. It's almost impossible to slip in on whitetail's bedding area especially with a bow. It sure wasn't that difficult with a mulie because we did it. The only thing is you have to be in shape to cover a lot of ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence too pointer, Tell us how you really feel. JimT, The article Shockey wrote was about Mexico Muleys. Average shot there is well under 100 yards. Here in BC my average shot on trophy mule deer is under 50 yards. Big Timber=Big Bucks Terrain does play a large role, but keep in mind, Shockey is a BC Boy too. He has acheived more than most of us could ever dream off, all with a Muzzy. How many of you have taken a record book animal from every species in North America? The guy nows his stuff. I believe he has the experience and authority to say which species are hard and which aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] I believe he has the experience and authority to say which species are hard and which aren't. [/ QUOTE ] So doesn't Mr. Adam's and he has a totally different opinion,,,,,but hey who am I ? I have never seen a live Mulie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Come on guys. All Steve did was quote Jim Shocky. He's not trying to start a Mulie, whitetail war. I've been a blacktail hunter for over 30 years and can honestly say they are hard critters to hunt, especially if you want a mature animal and even more so if you want a trophy animal. But my opinion is that every species has it's own challenges, depending on when and where you hunt them. Maybe Jim should have been more specific to location of hunting these Monster Mulies eh ...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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