superguide Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Aww do you think he was getting paid by the Muley mag had anything to do with it. If Steve doesn't like hunting dinky dog whities he can hunt dopey wopey mulies. We hunt both here and our mulies are hunted alot harder than those mountain deer-I'd say -except for in the rut-whities are flightier and mulies are craftier. In the rut both can be reallllll dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence LOL!!!! You guys are a riot. Sure is dang easy to push buttons here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence No buttons pushed here.... Like I said I have never seen a live Muley but sure would like a crack at one....They look like a gourgeous animal... Unfortunately all we have here is the Whitetail, but hey a deer is a deer... And if I had a quarter of BCboys trophies, I'd be one happy man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence One of these days the wife and I are going to take a trip out west and hunt mulies. From what I have heard killing a trophy coues deer may be the tougher than killing a trophy caliber mulie. Any way you look at it a mature deer can be a challenge to hunt depending on where you are hunting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Hehe.. All the mulies I have seen shot on tv with a rifle were out there, or taken by a guy with a bow after they spoted it a mile away in a field bedded. I am sure hunting the mountains is exciting, but I prefer the swamps. I wish we had mule deer here, but we dont so I will have to stick with the biased opinions I read on here I guess....lol. Like I said before, c'mon over here and you will see what tough whitatail hunting is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Im not sure what all the excitements about here, BC just quoted something Shockey said.If Id seen the artical I mighta posted it myself just see what your opinions on it were, and I dont live anywhere near a mule deer In all seriousness, Shockeys probably right but for the wrong reasons.Whitetails outnumber mule deer by a vast margin, theres whitetails in what, 48 states plus most of canada and mexico.Most people can hunt whitetails within a few minutes of thier home where mule deer are in more open or less densley populated areas for the most part.And the last I heard mule deer numbers have been declining in a lotta areas. Like it or not, Ive seen some pretty dumb whitetails, the first one I ever shot stood still while I launched 4 arrows at it less then 15 yrds away from me{my rest had come loose and I didnt realze it}Mule deer seem to me to be a little more high strung than the whitetails around here.But whitetails are around people more for the most part and arent as likely to cut and run at the first sign of danger. It mainly boils down to numbers though, with a huge whitetail population and a declining mule deer population theres a lot more B&C whitetails running around then there are mulies.Your odds of tagging one are much higher, escpecially if your hunting an area you know well unlike if someone dropped you off in the mountains somewhere youd never set foot in to hunt a deer a lotta of us have never seen in the wild.If the numbers of both species were the same and they were distributed across the country evenly it would be a much different story IMO, but for the most part as things stand now a truly big Mulie is probably a lot more challenging to find much less get a shot at than a whitetail is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I've never hunted mule deer so I wouldn't know but I think hunting any animal has it's "degree of difficulty". Turkeys for instance..... they can come right in one day and drag your around the woods the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I find it amazing that some of those that criticize the most have no experience in one or the other.......that's goes for any topic in life as well....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I truly believe shooting either is a great accomplishment. It seems that BCBOY thinks mulies are harder to hunt period. I think they are harder to hunt for him because it can be very exerting for the hunter where he lives. I highely doubt the big mule deer of B.C. are any "smarter" than the big whitetails of northwestern Maine. The walking may be easier for the hunters here, but thats about it. I am sure BCBOY is getting a kick out of this thread, as am I. Nuff said.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I am getting a great kick out of this thread. Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. A trophy animal regardless of species is always going to be a hard hunt. Why? Age. A trophy animal became a trophy animal by eluding predators (man included) for several years in order to become big enough to be a Trophy. They put all their experiences in their memory bank and become smarter and smarter as time goes by. I have hunted mulitiple species and when you stop shooting the little ones and start focusing on the older age classes, your hunting becomes more difficult. I don't care if it is a muley, a whitetail, a black bear, moose, cougar, what have ya. Shockey has acheived a ton of success. I believe there are only 3 men in history that have killed the North American Super Slam with each making the record books. I give the guy a lot of credit and respect. That being said, he's also had his sponsers paying for his hunts, traded guided hunts with other outfitters ect... to be able to acheive his goals. The average joe doesn't have those resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] I am getting a great kick out of this thread. Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. A trophy animal regardless of species is always going to be a hard hunt. Why? Age. A trophy animal became a trophy animal by eluding predators (man included) for several years in order to become big enough to be a Trophy. They put all their experiences in their memory bank and become smarter and smarter as time goes by. I have hunted mulitiple species and when you stop shooting the little ones and start focusing on the older age classes, your hunting becomes more difficult. I don't care if it is a muley, a whitetail, a black bear, moose, cougar, what have ya. Shockey has acheived a ton of success. I believe there are only 3 men in history that have killed the North American Super Slam with each making the record books. I give the guy a lot of credit and respect. That being said, he's also had his sponsers paying for his hunts, traded guided hunts with other outfitters ect... to be able to acheive his goals. The average joe doesn't have those resources. [/ QUOTE ] Now there's a post I can respect....It's about a honest and truthful opinion that can be stated....someday we as hunters will get the hint we are all on the same side... Someday I will be fortunate enough to travel west a try my luck at alot of species that aren't just here in the North East.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Not to sound really high on myself or preachy but none of us are perfect, only God is, therefore you don't know everything. You may not like what Jim had to say but except that he isn't perfect like the rest of you and is entitled to his opinion liek we all are. Quit bashing other people. Ok, sorry, I'm off my soap box, I just had to vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDB Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] But to make sure everyone knows...that vast majority of big whitetails this guy has shot have been shot on whitetail ranches and farms. [/ QUOTE ] Where the heck did you come by this information, JimT? Most of the big whitetails Jim Shockey has shot have come off Crown land (ie. public land) or low-fence cattle ranches and farms. The ranches and farms may be private land, but are generally accessible to anyone who takes the time to stop to ask permission to hunt. Besides that, most (maybe all) of the big whitetails Jim Shockey has shot have been shots less than 100 yards as he hunts almost exclusively with a muzzleloader. Shockey has stalked trophy whitetails in the bush where all most hunters can do is sit their butt in a stand and hope a big deer walks by. I would take you up on your bet and maybe even give you some odds. I think Shockey would have his way with your Allagash bucks. I know firsthand some of the areas that Jim has hunted in the past, and its amazing that he has been able to consistently score on large bucks, given the high hunting pressure, density of bush in bedding and staging areas, and nocturnal nature of the mature bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] Shockey has stalked trophy whitetails in the bush where all most hunters can do is sit their butt in a stand and hope a big deer walks by. [/ QUOTE ] I don't doubt that Jim Shockey is a great hunter and outdoorsman, but don't be too quick to slam treestand hunting. There's a bit more to it that stickin up a stand and hoping a deer walks by. If you don't scout out the deer and get that stand in the right spot, your ambush tactic isn't going to produce. I'm hoping this wasn't a slam on treestand hunting LDB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDB Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I'm not slamming treestand hunting - I was trying to get the point across that Shockey has the skills to stalk (or stillhunt) in the tight areas where most hunters would not dream of trying to move around after a deer. I'm aware of what's involved with hunting from a treestand, and I'm also aware of what's involved with stalking (stillhunting). In my opinion, while both methods require a certain amount of skill and effort to obtain consistent results, it takes a higher degree of skill to stalk a mature whitetail buck in a dense bush area than to ambush it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesVee Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence and higher degree of difficulty yet, to stalk with a bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence You said it James. I'd say sitting in a treestand with a bow or stalking (still-hunting) with a muzzle-loader is on an equal playing field ...LOL I have all the skills to stalk a whitetail in whatever you want to put him in, but that doesn't make me Jim Shockey. I lack the time, money, sponsors and connections to good bucks Don't get me wrong. I love and respect Jim Shockey and am still waiting for him to call and take me hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Yep...Buckee kinda keyed on one thing that alot of people are missing.........the majority of people on this website, are die-hard bowhunters....and often consider this when replying............no doubt putting a bow in Jim Shockey's hand would definitely level out the playing field........we're talking oranges and apples people..........let's drop this topic before it becomes worse........... Take BC's original post for what it's worth, and I have learned to appreciate BC's posts on several boards........it get's a little deep to wade through some of them, though...LOL......and what's to argue........Jim Shockey's accomplishments with a Muzzleloader are second to none, and few if any will repeat them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] Where the heck did you come by this information, JimT? [/ QUOTE ] I have seen him on tv and in videos countless times on private {pay me or no hunt for you} farms with guides.... Are you saying I have not? I must have been imagining it. I have not doubts the Shockey is a great hunter, but like BCBOY said, he has unlimited resources to hunt trophy game. The man is living the dream for sure. I never said Shockey could not come here and kill deer. I was refering to the average Joe mule deer hunter {Take that as you may} that thinks mulies are impossible to kill for us lazy easterners. [ QUOTE ] Jim Shockey's accomplishments with a Muzzleloader are second to none, and few if any will repeat them all [/ QUOTE ] Thats a fact...for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence Was having coffee with Dave 'Tiger' Williams before the Top Prospects game a couple years ago-he guides now after hockey is done for him. He said Jim Shockey was a tough hunting son of a gun-and if "Tiger" Williams says your tough- U R TOUGH!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDB Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence JimT, you were specifically refering to whitetail hunting when you stated: [ QUOTE ] But to make sure everyone knows...that vast majority of big whitetails this guy has shot have been shot on whitetail ranches and farms. [/ QUOTE ] I have also seen most of the videos and some of the TV shows. I could very well be mistaken, but I can't recall one instance of seeing Shockey on a whitetail ranch or guided whitetail hunt. The "vast majority" of Shockey's big whitetails have come from places accessible to the general hunting public. Maybe you are confusing guided elk, mule deer, or coues deer hunts with whitetail hunts. I just want "to make sure everyone knows" Shockey is the real deal when it comes to hunting big whitetails. He is a decent man and a good hunter, and I hate to see someone slamming him who has no idea what Shockey goes through to get a big whitetail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence I recall seeing an old video of his where he was wearing a Hockey Sock and no boots to stalk big whiteys in the deep snow. Now, that there earned my respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] I recall seeing an old video of his where he was wearing a Hockey Sock and no boots to stalk big whiteys in the deep snow. Now, that there earned my respect. [/ QUOTE ] LOL....and what was the purpose of that ??? Don't tell me he couldn't afford a pair of boots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] and what was the purpose of that ??? [/ QUOTE ] Boots make noise in the snow, wool does not. Make fun of me all you want but when the snow flies the boots stay home. Felt boot liners with big woolies over top. As for Shockey, he is Saskatchewan born and raided, moved to B.C on a University scholarship, learned to hunt whitetails out here. And he has NEVER shot a whitetail that was on a game farm or fenced area. He's killed alot of big whitetails here on both public and private land. He's killed them all with a smokepole too I might add. Saying he's killed whitetails behind a fence or on a farm is bullcrap, he's earned his reputation as a great whitetail hunter and he's earned the reputation as being one of Saskatchewan's foremost whitetail outfitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Re: Whitetail Pro Jumps The Fence [ QUOTE ] Make fun of me all you want but when the snow flies the boots stay home. [/ QUOTE ] Why would I make fun of or laugh at a tatic that works ?? I just couldn't see anyone trying that in Sask. where the temps are about unberable with good boots no-less without any at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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