RTF Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Should nascar bring it back and get rid of this lucky dog pass ? I know the reason behind it, but we are talking about the best drivers in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? I don't really care about whether or not they race back to the yellow...but I'd would LOVE to see the lucky dog pass GONE!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyrod64 Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? They keep taking the excitement out of it bit by bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NS whitetail Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? ya, I think that they should just draw straws after each caution racing is what the word says *** RACING *** -- get rid of the "lucky dog" and race for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] I don't really care about whether or not they race back to the yellow...but I'd would LOVE to see the lucky dog pass GONE!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deldeer Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't really care about whether or not they race back to the yellow...but I'd would LOVE to see the lucky dog pass GONE!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] ditto [/ QUOTE ]..i agree. they should just freeze the field when the caution comes out. i do not like the lucky dog pass at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? I thought it was a safety issue??? id prefer the race back,but not if people are put in danger. The lucky dog is not good unless your driver is the dog... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTF Posted June 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] I thought it was a safety issue??? [/ QUOTE ] It is, but I have watched Nascar race back to the yellow for over 20 years without one serious incident. Nascar cup drivers are the best and should be treated that way. By not allowing them to race back to the yellow is like saying, we dont trust you to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? Keep the caution rule, but throw away the lucky dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] Keep the caution rule, but throw away the lucky dog. [/ QUOTE ] Let's carry that a step further, you have to atleast give a lap down car/cars a chance to regain it,,,, So I say put them in front of the leaders and race their way around the whole track to get it back,,,,now lets not say this is unfair to the leaders because as it was stated NASCAR supposedly has the best drivers out there....JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] you have to atleast give a lap down car/cars a chance to regain it,,,, [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I disagree...its racing, I don't like any driver being "given" a lap that they didn't earn. If your a lap down...only way you should get it back is by earning it. [ QUOTE ] So I say put them in front of the leaders and race their way around the whole track to get it back [/ QUOTE ] I maybe wrong, but if you "put" them in front of the leaders...then you just "gave" them their lap back. Plus why punish the leaders that earned the right to be up front? They shouldn't have to contend (deal) with slower lap down cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] Sorry, I disagree...its racing, I don't like any driver being "given" a lap that they didn't earn. If your a lap down...only way you should get it back is by earning it. [/ QUOTE ] having a chance to regain your lap back isn't a give me and I don't think I used the term "give" or did I ??? [ QUOTE ] I maybe wrong, but if you "put" them in front of the leaders...then you just "gave" them their lap back. Plus why punish the leaders that earned the right to be up front? They shouldn't have to contend (deal) with slower lap down cars. [/ QUOTE ] putting and lap down car in front of the leaders isn't giving them there lap back by all means,,,and just becuase they got lapped doesn't necessarily mean that they had a slow car,,they could of had a flat or some other reason other than being slow. As for punishing the leaders,,I thought NASCAR had the best drivers out there... Now you can see where the delima of not racing back to the YELLOW, becomes so mucky....this lucky-dog thing just doesn't cut it for me,,but hey if they can't race back to the YELLOW, what else it the solution to make everyone happy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? When I was watching the 600 this weekend, were there not cars on the tail end of the lead lap in front of the leaders? Is that not basically the same thing as putting the lapped cars up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] were there not cars on the tail end of the lead lap in front of the leaders? Is that not basically the same thing as putting the lapped cars up there? [/ QUOTE ] Being the tail end of the lead lap and a lap down are way two different things. If a car that is one or more laps down is aloud to restart a race infront of the leaders...you "gave" them a lap. The leaders maybe right behind them, but if another caution comes out before the leader passes that car again...that car can make up all the loss ground (freebee). Its racing...sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. I say Nascar is doing a good job keeping cars fair and equal with pre/post race inspections. If a car is slow, blows a tire, caught in someone else's mess, etc...sorry about their luck. Why does Nascar and others feel it has to be more fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? Believe me snapper I understand where you are coming from,,really I do and I agree with you for the most part...... but to keep everything on the up and up,,NASCAR had to do something when they started freezing the field,,,,, My only thing is how fair is it to the 2-3 cars that just got passed by the leader,,where's their chance to race back to the yellow and try to get their lap back, if they freeze the field on them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? Remember when you guys called me crazy when I compared DJ to JJ about how they whine? Remember which driver really whined and got the "lucky dog" ordeal kicked in? Dale Jarrett. He got spun out at Loudon and was in the middle of the track and didn't like cars going on both sides of him. I like local racing. Caution comes out, everyone slows down. If you are a lap down, you are SOL. Racing back to the yellow is the way to go in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James7xChamp3 Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? Whining?? I think that's called standing up for what you believe in. I disagree strongly with DJ on this issue and certainly believe they should race to the yellow. Don't think that makes either one of us a whiner....or you for that matter...since we both agree on this! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] My only thing is how fair is it to the 2-3 cars that just got passed by the leader,,where's their chance to race back to the yellow and try to get their lap back, if they freeze the field on them..... [/ QUOTE ] Well, they will restart on the inside of the leaders...if they are fast enough, they can race their way back on the lead lap. If a caution comes out again...they are then on the lead lap. If they aren't fast enough to pass the leaders...then they don't deserve to be "given" a lap any ways! JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] If they aren't fast enough to pass the leaders...then they don't deserve to be "given" a lap any ways! JMO [/ QUOTE ] That is the difficultly of taking away the lucky dog and making them race back onto the lead lap. Use Texas for an example, Biffle was a rocket. Say someone in 10th place cut a tire and went a lap down. Nobody was able to pass Biffle, but the guy with the cut tire was a solid top-10 car. I don't really know if he should be penalized like that because the leader of the race is that good. I do think the lucky dog rule is a bad one though. Plus, I hate that if the white flag is out and they wreck, the race is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? [ QUOTE ] Biffle was a rocket. Say someone in 10th place cut a tire and went a lap down. Nobody was able to pass Biffle, but the guy with the cut tire was a solid top-10 car. I don't really know if he should be penalized like that because the leader of the race is that good. [/ QUOTE ] If the #16 car was that good, it means his team either worked really hard or got lucky on the set up. If another car can't pass him, then they either didn't work as hard on the set up or are unlucky. Such is life!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? The only lucky dog should be the one in front of the leader when the yellow drops. Not the one behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? All it will take is ONE TIME of there being a caution, drivers racing back to the line to get a lap back, and T-Boning someone at 170MPH+, would you like to be in one of those 2 cars? I personally think it is a good idea to not race back to the line to get a lap back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? I'm gonna have to be the weirdo and disagree with everybody I like the lucky dog rule. Here are my reasons. #1 Racing back to the line was too dangerous. Even though these guys are the best in the world, they are human. Someone was gonna get hurt and maybe killed. The only thing I would like to see changed is let them race to the checkered flag if a caution comes out on the last lap. #2 It creates a way for drivers who have a fast car but had trouble early to make their lap up without roughing the leader up on the restarts. It creates better racing among lap-down cars. Despite what some of you said, no one is laying back waiting for a caution so they can be the lucky dog. They have to drive as hard as they can to be the first car a lap down, especially when the leader starts lapping more cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va_strutstopper Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? i really liked racing back to the caution sometimes it was the best racing all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Re: Race back to the yellow ? never bring it back, its too dangerous espically if there is a wrecked car and the driver is hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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