dg Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] If you truely believe, why ask for prayer when you are having a hard time? Don't you trust what the lord has put upon you? He has a plan. Don't question why. Suck it up and enjoy! [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] If you truely believe, why ask for prayer when you are having a hard time? Don't you trust what the lord has put upon you? He has a plan. Don't question why. Suck it up and enjoy! [/ QUOTE ] Because God created us for himself and wants to have a relationship with us. Because when they are answered, we know who to give thanks to. Because when they are not answered in the way we wish, we can know God has others plans. How can we draw closer to our creator if we don't communicate with him in prayer and ask for his guidance and help. There's a 101 reasons to pray, even though God knows us better than we know ourselves, if for no other reason than to get closer to him. To believe in God and not speak to him through prayer would be equal to getting Married, saying your "I do's" at the alter and never uttering a sound to your wife or even giving her a glance after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because God created us for himself and wants to have a relationship with us. [/ QUOTE ] Oh really? I assume he has my phone number and address. If what you say is true, and I have a hard time believing, I would expect a "visit" since he wants a relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] . Because when they are not answered in the way we wish, we can know God has others plans. [/ QUOTE ] Oh I see. I'll tell that to the family members who lost love-ones during a war or 911, or from many of the senseless killings that go on day-to-day. That'll make them feel better...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How can we draw closer to our creator if we don't communicate with him in prayer and ask for his guidance and help. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, he hasn't mentioned my name when I asked him talk to me. Communication is a two-way street. Not one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] There's a 101 reasons to pray, even though God knows us better than we know ourselves, if for no other reason than to get closer to him. [/ QUOTE ] Well that explains everything! Gee, I'll go talk to a mirror and get a better response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] To believe in God and not speak to him through prayer would be equal to getting Married, saying your "I do's" at the alter and never uttering a sound to your wife or even giving her a glance after that. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, ok. I get it now. I should talk to my spouse and if she says nothing for 2000 years, I should accept it as okay. Dang, stupid me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question That's what I thought....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question Maybe you just haven't been listening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buckee Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question Funny how mankind would rather believe in the god of his imagination and creation (the way he thinks God should be), rather than believe in the God of the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question Imagination is a good thing. It's what allows people to dream about being around forever......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question Buckee, referring to the Professor story. Why did the author use terms like "aging panther"..."old and crumbling" "his bony fingers" to describe the Professor. Those colorful expressions are all ways to control the reader's perception of the Professor, obviously in a negative way... If religion is all about free will, why do writings like these try so blatantly to control the readers mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] You guys can push your thoughts and beliefs towards me all you want, you won't change my opinion. You can tell me stories and reasons why you are a believer, you won't change my opinion. You can assumme b/c I am a non believer that my life is a hopeless end, I'll disagree. Yes it'll end but hopelessly?? I don't think so, I'll have loved and been loved, spent time doing what I learned to love in life. Had children to carry on my memory and to have children of their own but in time I'll be gone and forgotten. How often do you think of your grandfather's grandfather??? In time we'll all be forgotten. You can think my life is a hopeless end, I'll choose to think otherwise. Just don't think I'm a bad person b/c I'm an atheist. I'm a good father, a good husband, a good son, a good brother, a good school teacher, a good friend and a good neighbour. I don't agree with your beliefs but I don't judge people based on their beliefs, if I did, one of my closest friends would not be a friend at all. Alot of times you Christians give the impression that you arte better than us who are not believers and though you may believe I'm not sure if that constitutes as reason enough for you to be any better that I or any other non believer. [/ QUOTE ] I don't want to preach to you Saskman, just explain. It is the central belief of the Christain faith that we share the "good news of Jesus Christ". We believe that there are a lot of wanderfull, good, ethical, moral people out there who go through life and are truly good people. But that if you do not accept that Jesus Christ was the the son of God, and that he died and rose again for the redemtion of all mans sins then you sentence yourself, through the act of rejection, to eternal h e l l. We do not preach because we think we are better than anyone. On the contrary, we do it because we acknowledge that we are all weak and can not live right without the help of our creator. We preach because we want everyone to have the opportunity to have a relationship with the One who created this big ball we call home. We do not hate anyone. But yes we do want to convert, because we want everyone to have the free gift of salvation. God loves everyone, even those who don't acknowledge him. You have always seemed like a very nice person Sask, you will be in my prayers. But if there's not a God don't worry, it won't hurt anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Unfortunatly many of these posts have been viewed or taken as a bash on atheism. I am new to the forum but feel that no one has the right to tell others that their views are wrong or evil. Everyone was born with the ability to choose their own free will, for those that don't believe in God or a supreme being, that is for you to believe and you have that right. As for those that are offended by the fact that others have told them they will burn in ****, well, a belief in Christ alone will not save all. For my fellow Christians out there, don't stoke the fire for nonbelievers by claiming they will burn in **** and all Christians will be saved. Check out the epistle of James in the New Testament and read chapter 2 verses 14-20, faith without works is dead. A belief in Christ will not save one alone, following the Commandments and doing good deeds along with that belief will ensure salvation. The people on this post that do not share our Christian beliefs but do good works such as being a good father, brother, or husband will be better off than some that commit whoredoms, murders and other sins, but believe in God. I respect their opinion and I hope they respect my views as well. I feel that they are being great people and contribute much to society, even though it may not be in the way of religion. I know that they feel good about themselves, try to be good people and want to contribute to society. I just personally feel that the happiness they feel and the good feelings they get when doing something good for others comes from God, that is where we differ in opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure you want to get in a theological discussion here? There are some big hitters on here and by your prose I'm guessing your not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Buckee, referring to the Professor story. Why did the author use terms like "aging panther"..."old and crumbling" "his bony fingers" to describe the Professor. Those colorful expressions are all ways to control the reader's perception of the Professor, obviously in a negative way... If religion is all about free will, why do writings like these try so blatantly to control the readers mind? [/ QUOTE ] Sort of like most anything else that anyone would pick up on the magazine rack to read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Buckee, my comments were directed at a few individuals such as johnf who feel the need to constantly make us try to justify our beliefs, or constantly challenge them. [/ QUOTE ] I like to know why people believe what they believe. If you can't defend a position, then you must rethink the position. I can come back from almost anything with a biblical response. What's wrong with that. That's like telling a coach that he's wrong about a game when he's looking at the rule book. As for challanging, yes I do. I even challenge people in my Sunday school class on why they believe something that I don't. Challange provokes thought. Is there anything wrong with that? I've got some friends who are Hindu. They are very good moral people. We have lots of discussions on religion and why we believe what we believe. Do I think they're going to h e l l? Yes, I do. Why? Because the book that I base my beliefs on says they are. He believes that I will come back as a mouse because I am to fearce in this lifetime. We will know for sure who is right only when we die. If I'm wrong the worst that could happen is absolutely nothing or I come back as a pin worm or gnat. If they're wrong and I'm right, then it's an eternity of torment. I would rather error on the side of eternal joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question You are allowed any beliefs you want, as am I. I jsut get aggrivated when people think their beliefs make them better than someone else.(look back to you posts in your thrread about aethiests contribution to society) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question I don't think I am or any other Christian is any "better" than anyone. The bible points out our faults more than anything. We (Christians) are commanded by the God to go out and preach the gospel everywhere. To not do so would be going against the very religion that we claim to be a part of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Buckee, referring to the Professor story. Why did the author use terms like "aging panther"..."old and crumbling" "his bony fingers" to describe the Professor. Those colorful expressions are all ways to control the reader's perception of the Professor, obviously in a negative way... If religion is all about free will, why do writings like these try so blatantly to control the readers mind? [/ QUOTE ] Sort of like most anything else that anyone would pick up on the magazine rack to read? [/ QUOTE ] So are you saying Christians are resorting to the same tactics tabloids use, in order to recruit people? I'm confused??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Are you sure you want to get in a theological discussion here? There are some big hitters on here and by your prose I'm guessing your not one of them. [/ QUOTE ] Man, you're on a roll johnf, first you go after the atheists, and then you go after a fellow believer. How do you know our new friend on here doesn't have a degree in theology or something. Just because he chooses to not go on the offensive quoting scripture as it is looked up. One thing I have noticed, is that this site has about the highest concentration of the ultra-religious I have ever seen, which frankly I find a little unbelievable, but here's a thought, all the ultra-religious believers on here should get together and form their own church, in about a week half of you would probably be gone, why? Because "Christians" can't get along, if it were as simple as believing in Christ and preaching the bible, there wouldn't be so many denominations out there, they all claim to preach the gospel, claim to be biblical, claim they have the truth, so either they are all right.....or are they all wrong?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question I can't fault JohnF...we are to "check up" on our brothers in Christ and keep them on the path.... I have to slightly correct the comment about being judged by our good deeds..... good works alone, will not get you into heaven.. QUOTE: "If I'm wrong the worst that could happen is absolutely nothing or I come back as a pin worm or gnat. If they're wrong and I'm right, then it's an eternity of torment. I would rather error on the side of eternal joy." Bingo...Yahtzee......tis has been what I've said for years........If I'm wrong, I'm not out anything.....but If I am right, then may God have Mercy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Are you sure you want to get in a theological discussion here? There are some big hitters on here and by your prose I'm guessing your not one of them. [/ QUOTE ] Man, you're on a roll johnf, first you go after the atheists, and then you go after a fellow believer. How do you know our new friend on here doesn't have a degree in theology or something. Just because he chooses to not go on the offensive quoting scripture as it is looked up. One thing I have noticed, is that this site has about the highest concentration of the ultra-religious I have ever seen, which frankly I find a little unbelievable, but here's a thought, all the ultra-religious believers on here should get together and form their own church, in about a week half of you would probably be gone, why? Because "Christians" can't get along, if it were as simple as believing in Christ and preaching the bible, there wouldn't be so many denominations out there, they all claim to preach the gospel, claim to be biblical, claim they have the truth, so either they are all right.....or are they all wrong?? [/ QUOTE ] Different denomintations are formed because of different enterpritations of the same scriptures or because of differecnt focus points in the gospel. These different denominations all have there strong and weak points. There are some very simple things in the gospel that are often misinturpreted by those who don't understand it all in context or those who don't take the time to resurch it's meaning as pertaining to the entire text. That's what I was refering to. Have you ever thought that maybe there are a lot of religious people on here because of who and what we are. We see God's creation in a differnt way then your average nine to five'r. I think being a hunter can bring you closer to God than a lot of other hobbies. It's no suprise to me that the men and women who are closest to God's creation are closer to Him. As far as "going after someone" yes I do. I callange anything or anyone that I don't agree with. You should know that by now. If someone makes a statement that I think is incorrect, I will challange it. Just as you have challenged me. What's wrong with a good debate sluggo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Yeah, JohnF, I don't really want to get into with you but I believe that everyone will be judged according to their deeds when this life ends. Maybe you should read the Bible a little more and visit a few more churches so you can see that. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry there wrmdnkr, but it might need to be you who goes back and checks up on your Biblical theology a little bit.........because no where in the Bible does it say that it is by your works or your deeds that you are going to heaven. Matter of fact, Paul said in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast"...........so before you speak, you might want to stop and think! Don't mean to be misunderstood or misinterpreted........it just bothers me when someone misquotes the Word of God! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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