johnf Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Yeah, JohnF, I don't really want to get into with you but 1. I believe that everyone will be judged according to their deeds when this life ends. 2. Who's to say that one of these Atheists here hasn't lived a better life than you or I? 3 Maybe you should read the Bible a little more and visit a few more churches so you can see that. 4. If you believe that you are definatly saved because of your belief in Christ no matter what else you do in this life, then why aren't you out doing whatever you want? Why do you study the Bible if you have nothing more to gain. Not everyone shares the same views as you, 5 if you want to PM me maybe I can help you out with a few scriptures and some advice on how to relate to people that. 6. aren't "going to heaven" like you. I respect your opinion to a certain point, but think you go about things the wrong way. 7 Telling people they will burn will not scare them into believing what you do,only the Holy spirit that they feel from your own testimony and your example will. [/ QUOTE ] 1. But if you are in the lambs book of life you are forgiven of your inequities. I don't want to be judged for the miserable person that I am, so I rely on the blood of Christ to cover my sins. 2. Jesus did. "No one comes to the Father execpt through the Son." 3. I read the bible almsost daily and spent 2 years after being saved visiting and studying different christain denominations teachings and how they applied them to everyday life. 4. We are know by man by our good works not by God. I think you have the tail wagging the dog here. You don't get saved by doing good works, you do good works because you are saved. Good works are not the same to God as they are to "worldly" man. Yes you must love your neighbor and do unto the least and everything else that some non-believers do, but you must also have accepted the gift of salvation. If you have not done that, then you are no better off (eternally) then those who turn their backs on the Lord and do great atrosities in the world. 5. If there is a scripture that I've missed, feel free to put in on this tread. If I've missed it, there are a LOT of people who have and need to see it. 6. I'm so sure I'm going to heaven that I would swing over the gates of h e l l with on a roll of toilet paper with a squirtgun in my hand. 7. People need to know the wages of sin. Not just every day sins, but the greatest sin of all, the sin of unbelief. Not accepting Christ as Lord and Savior is the only sin that will keep you out of heaven. When you are saved and the Holy Spirit comes into your heart you will feel the need to do God's work, to study His word and to spread His gospel. This does not mean you will do it, but you will not have peace within yourself unless you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question I think the Book of Romans touches on just about every subject that's been hit on lately........for those maybe interested I would concentrate especially on Chapter 8-12, 14 and then 15.... And then for our critics and my fellow brothers, i leave you with this.... I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] Not accepting Christ as Lord and Savior is the only sin that will keep you out of heaven. When you are saved and the Holy Spirit comes into your heart you will feel the need to do God's work, to study His word and to spread His gospel. This does not mean you will do it, but you will not have peace within yourself unless you do [/ QUOTE ] This is what we mean when we say we don't care what people believe just don't go pushing it on those of us who don't. John, this is nothing more than another derogatory comment directed at people like me. By the way............I have alot of peace within myself, maybe you should look in the mirror, if you have to preach to others how to live, maybe you yourself are not at peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question It is our duty as Christians to spread the gospel.......if there isn't somebody to preach it, there certainly won't be anybody hearing it....I think he already said that though....... Once again, are those of you that are athiests, willing to accept the consequences of being wrong ?? If we're wrong, we lose nothing......if you're wrong.....well let's just say, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes..... Have any of you studied the differnet versions of what He!! is supposed to be like....let alone to spend eternity there......no thanks...not for me...not willing to play those odds... Thanksfully, the Lord has been gracious enough to let me see the error of my ways.....course where I was at one point, there was no way but up.....praise be to God... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] By the way............I have alot of peace within myself, maybe you should look in the mirror, if you have to preach to others how to live, maybe you yourself are not at peace. [/ QUOTE ] I think I can speak for all of us, saying it's not that we don't have peace.....we have the peace of God within us.....but being followers of Christ, we are also under more torment from Satan.......sure it would be simple to take the easy way out.......but the stakes are too high. We simply care for our friends...online or whatever....I've got friends here I've never met.....and even though I debate with some of you, I still consider you my friends....we simply want to help and to spread the good word..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Not accepting Christ as Lord and Savior is the only sin that will keep you out of heaven. When you are saved and the Holy Spirit comes into your heart you will feel the need to do God's work, to study His word and to spread His gospel. This does not mean you (a person who is already a Christain) will do it, but you will not have peace within yourself unless you do [/ QUOTE ] This is what we mean when we say we don't care what people believe just don't go pushing it on those of us who don't. John, this is nothing more than another derogatory comment directed at people like me. By the way............I have alot of peace within myself, maybe you should look in the mirror, if you have to preach to others how to live, maybe you yourself are not at peace. [/ QUOTE ] This is not something that pertains to the unsaved. If you don't believe in God then by definition you are unsaved. This has nothing to do with you as a person, as a man, teacher, father or whatever. This statement is about your final destination after death. If you don't believe in God, heaven or **** there is no way this statement should be offensive. I don't understand how that is a derogatory statement. This is simply what I believe. You questioned why I believe something. If you don't like the answer I'm sorry. Again, I base my answers on biblical teaching and will give them accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Another Atheism Question I don't get all of this complaining about comments being derogatory...or Christians pushing there beliefs on others......... To have no belief, is basicly nothing...how can you get offended over nothing......for you to beleive in God is something...to believe in Satan is something (not good, but more than nothing)......Athiests believe in nothing religiously........so why do you get offended by religious discussion.......seems to me what you are interpreting as "offending" is actually "convicting"........I don't like being "convited" myself.....means I'm doing something wrong...... I think Buckee touched on it in the other "Athiest" thread.....even Athiests have the sense of right and wrong instilled in them since birth....makes sense then, that they would be convicted about wrongdoing just as the Christian would........being Born Again, it is easier to recognize these convictions, and try to steer myself down the right path before I get there...... Testimony: I used to be bad drunk....couldn't harly pass a liquor store or bar without having to stop in if I had free time.......but it ended up Christ saved me and my Marriage.......even now, I found myself drawn to these places, but feel overly convited before I even get there.......the temptations are there, but so also is God telling me it is not a good idea to go down that road again........I will admit, there have been times I have failed as a Christian, and have paid for those ill-made decisions...I assure you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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