Tominator Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Geared mostly towards the aethists, because I'm pretty sure I know the Christians' answer. Who started all this? I'm talking about the Universe. Don't say "Big Bang", because somebody or something had to put that together. Where did it all come from? [/ QUOTE ] Why don't you tell me? [/ QUOTE ] I can only tell you what I believe, and no, I don't have any proof. Some mysteries might not ever be explained. This fact is one of the things I've been struggling with over the last 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] This fact is one of the things I've been struggling with over the last 2 years. [/ QUOTE ] Although there are some aspects that dont logically make sense I know that God created the heavens and the earth. What I dont understand is how the 7 days in which he created all living things, there was no mention of prehistoric life we know to have existed. The only thing in my mind that comes to make any sense is that the idea of days may not have been what we know as days today. Have had questions such as this for quite some time Chris. Another is why did Noah take mosquitoes, roaches and other insects on the ark? All living things not on the ark were supposedly destroyed in the flood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] Mmmm horst we came from dinosaurs to here in hundreds of millions of years [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, i meant million but typed thousand, I was on my way to bed when I found this post LOL But the points the same, things are evolving and being recreated all the time on this planet.A million years from now people may no longer exist, and this whole thing will be starting over again.Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] Another is why did Noah take mosquitoes, roaches and other insects on the ark? All living things not on the ark were supposedly destroyed in the flood [/ QUOTE ] I used to wonder about that too, but the answer is there. We tend to picture Noah frantically running around collecting all these living creatures , but if you read carefully, God caused the animals to come to Noah. So whatever living creatures came were saved and whichever did not come, were not. Dinosaurs existed before the flood but were destroyed for reasons unknown to us. "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Another is why did Noah take mosquitoes, roaches and other insects on the ark? All living things not on the ark were supposedly destroyed in the flood [/ QUOTE ] I used to wonder about that too, but the answer is there. We tend to picture Noah frantically running around collecting all these living creatures , but if you read carefully, God caused the animals to come to Noah. So whatever living creatures came were saved and whichever did not come, were not. Dinosaurs existed before the flood but were destroyed for reasons unknown to us. "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive." [/ QUOTE ] And there you have it folks. That explains how hundreds of different animals all got on one boat. Thanks. He should have just snapped his fingers instead of creating something and then flooding the place. But he knows what he's doing........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question It's nice to know I've provided you with so much laughter. Be careful you don't fall down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question I used to wonder also about insects like mosquitoes---but after my trip to Alaska and getting bit by mosquitoes the size of small birds I quickly figured it out. If a darn mosquite egg can sit dormant for 8 months out of the year in 10 feet of snow then a few must have survived the flood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question ok, here is a serious question, not trying to be a smart a##. The flood flooded the earth, #1...where did all this water go that was enough to submerge all the land, and two, how did animals from all over teh world get to the ark. Ex. moose, elk, polar bear, deer from north america. How did they get all the way to the ark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question fisherguy---good question. I wish I had all the answers that would leave no doubt in your mind. The faith that I have in Jesus Christ is good enough for me. There are a lot of things in the bible that makes your head hurt when you think about it enough. Where in the heck did Cane and Abel's wives come from ---only way I know how to answer it is if God made Adam and Eve he can sure make a couple more girls for the boys . Genesis 7:15---"Every creature that had the breath of life came to Noah in the boat in groups of two." He can turn water into wine, he healed the sick, he rasied the dead, he parted the seas---if he can do that then he can get those critters in the ark---and around October I thank him every day that he included the Whitetail Deer---and every spring I thank him that he inluded the Wild Turkey Where did the water go? Genesis 8: 1-4----"He (God) made a wind blow over the earth, and the water went down. The underground springs stopped flowing, and the clouds in the sky stopped pouring down rain. The water that covered the earth began to go down. After 150 days it had gone down so much that the boat touched land again " I store my Bass boat in the garage. If I fish in the rain and then put the wet boat in the garage is starts to get the soiled water smell after a few days. So when ever it rains and the carpet in my boat is wet I plug in a large box fan to "make wind" to evaporate the water---I believe that is what happend when God made a wind blow over the earth. fisherguy--I hope you don't think I'm trying to cram my religion down your throat. I would never do that. I've never felt comfortable going door to door and witnessing, going up to a stranger and witnessing. I've never felt like I've tried to cram God down people's throat. If you met me you might not even know that I am Christian. I don't carry a bible with me, no Christian bumper stickers on my truck. I've never considered myself a goodie-to-shoes type person. But if someone wants to talk about Jesus Christ or religion I'll be there. If you are the type of person that has to actually see something to believe it then it will be hard to get you to believe the bible. I can't explain everything in the Bible. I can't explain how God has always been and always will be--I wish I could--I really do---but when I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour I put my Faith in him and I just know that there is a God---the God that sent his son to die for me~~~~~~oh--getting warm and fuzzy again take care todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question 500 years ago, they thought the Earth was the center of the universe and that it was flat. Our theories could turn out to be just as obsurded in another 500 years. Who knows. Seeing how moleculs make up everything, including humans, I think the idea that everything could have been created from scientific explanations makes sense. But the fact that humans have such a highly developed level of spirtuality, I think a higher power has to be at work. Whatever it is, I'm sure it's beyond our comprehension. Do I think the world was created in 6 days...NO. Do I believe there is a higher power...YES. Do I believe Christianity should be taken as the sole explanation for all this NO. I think religion gives to many convienient answers to all this deep questions. It provides answers to questions that are beyond human comprehension. Bottomline, I believe in God, but not organized religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] . It's alot different referencing a verse and claiming it as the ultimate truth from a man-written book that's unexplainable. [/ QUOTE ] Most Christians (not all) believe that the bible was written by God through man, that the words in it are and will always be the word of God. We look at it as ultimate truth. Yes this is a leap of great faith to believe in something that we have never seen or "audibly" heard. But I feel it every day and see it every hour in the things that he had done for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] I used to wonder about that too, but the answer is there. We tend to picture Noah frantically running around collecting all these living creatures , but if you read carefully, God caused the animals to come to Noah. So whatever living creatures came were saved and whichever did not come, were not. [/ QUOTE ] So how did animals that don't live over in the middle east get over there, did they take a boat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question Well, the bible doesn't say this, but I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that since God caused the animals to come to Noah, then he was also quite capable of redistributing them throughout the world, when the ark was opened. I don't think it's too presumptuous to think that way. He caused them to come, why not cause them to go also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: Philosophy Question [ QUOTE ] There are a lot of things in the bible that makes your head hurt when you think about it enough. [/ QUOTE ] Yep. As someone else pointed out somewhere in this thread or another, the question about incest has also come to my mind. There are a lot of questions and things I dont understand in the book. I do still have faith and I know that the original writings were most likely all factual, but however just dont think all the stories have remained as they were in the original form in the context it was intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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